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This discussion has brought back some rather unwelcome memories for me. When I was 16, I took a Saturday job at a local supermarket. In retrospect, alarm bells should have rung when at my interview I was told they expected female staff to wear skirts - "because we like to see ladies' legs". (Mind you, this was in the antediluvian 1970s.) Later, I was working in the stock room with a male colleague and was rather startled to be grabbed and kissed without any warning and without me signalling that such behaviour would be welcome. Needless to say, that job did not last much longer. Yes, #MeToo. |
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06-07-2018, 03:10 PM | #92 |
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How did this thread get from "how to handle chatters" to being sexually harraressed in the 70s?
Some people are chatters. They talk to strangers, while in line, in a waiting room, on a bus, etc. Some people do not like that. In society, we deal with both kinds, and everything in between. My MIL is a rambler, especially when nervous. She will talk your ear off, and it can be hard to take. She doesn't do much shopping anymore, but there are many folks like her. Heaven help you if you get stuck by her in a waiting room. But it's nerves, and lack education of social graces, not rudeness. My mother is not a talker. Both women are the same age, and at opposite ends of the spectrum. It's not rudeness, it's her "keep to yourself" personality. But she will smile, nod, hold the door for you. But small talk? No way. Dealing with people is an everyday need for anyone who leaves their home. All kinds of people. It's part of being a functional adult. |
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06-07-2018, 03:23 PM | #93 | |
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Re-read what you wrote...basically you're saying that if people don't feel comfortable "dealing with people" they should either just suck it up or just stay home. You also said that people who have a hard *not* talking to strangers because of "nerves" are perfectly justified in talking to the ones who are uncomfortable with interactions with strangers. So...one type of social anxiety is ok to exhibit in public, but another kind isn't, and those who suffer from it should just stay home. Shari |
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06-07-2018, 03:46 PM | #95 | |
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Then allow me to say that neither you or anyone else is entitled to decide that those of us wanting exercise our RIGHT to privacy/nonengagement even in public situations do not have the right to decide that for us. If anyone who interrupts me for more than a quick question and doesn't get the non verbal hints that I don't want to be bothered when I give them, will get a very verbal blunt direct statement of "please leave me ALONE." Since you want to get picky over the use of the word entitlement, I will choose to use the word "right". Violating a persons rights can land you in court/jail. Last edited by cfrizz; 06-07-2018 at 03:49 PM. |
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Stop arguing with what you WANT me to be saying. Last edited by DiapDealer; 06-07-2018 at 06:37 PM. |
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06-08-2018, 10:28 AM | #99 |
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Great, next time put that first rather than trying to play devils advocate with a bunch of crap that we who don't want to be bothered with extrovert yappers should be more tolerant. Because it got lost in the rant that you went on about. If you had, this thread would have come to an end several pages back.
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And --- again --- my "bunch of crap" was not about convincing those "who don't want to be bothered with extrovert yappers" to be more tolerant. I was suggesting more tolerance all around. But I see you're only interested in getting everyone ELSE in society to behave in the way you deem "correct." Last edited by DiapDealer; 06-08-2018 at 11:22 AM. |
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06-08-2018, 11:39 AM | #101 |
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Perhaps in real life Diap is a large threatening-looking male and just doesn't receive as many unwanted conversational approaches as some if the women in this thread?
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Perhaps that's irrelevant to the conversation I'm having with someone who has clearly indicated they have no compunction about bluntly telling someone to leave them alone (should their non-verbal signals go unnoticed)? It doesn't strike me that cfrizz's desire to not have to deal with "extrovert yappers" has anything to do with fear or intimidation. Please stop trying to make this a sexual harassment issue.
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I was not talking about sexual harassment. Just saying that some people are less likely than others to be spoken to by strangers.
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06-08-2018, 02:10 PM | #105 |
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I think the problem is people who won't take the hint to go away. (note: no more than a hint should be required. The onus should not be on the accostee to be impolite, even if it's justified.) Or who say they're going away, and then don't. That adds the pain of hope dashed. I guess sociable people can be forgiven for the initial intrusion, maybe even if it's inane, but then the onus is on them to be observant enough to to see it's unwanted. I repeat, the innocent victim should not have to suffer the stress of being rude.
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