10-17-2017, 01:20 PM | #61 |
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I find the argument that ebooks “offer more” a bit strange. The fact that ebooks “offer more” has already been paid for with the purchase of a device that can read the book. The “more” is also ultimately supplied by the device manufacturer that is compensated separately.
There is no publisher except for Amazon that I know of that has contributed to ebook technology in such a way that it would justify pricing ebooks the same or only slightly lower (or even higher!!!) than paper books which are self-contained commodities that require no further investment. It's a bit like saying a video game on a video game console should cost more than an arcade machine because the video game on your console offers you more (save games, portability, online functionality etc) and your arcade machine is plug and play but does nothing except for playing that one particular game. |
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10-17-2017, 01:34 PM | #63 |
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It is what it is. This is one of those topics where it is based on user preference now and there is no right or wrong. I loved paperbacks when I was younger. Loved looking at the shelves and deciding what I wanted to buy. But times changed and I have a shelf full of paper books but would like to use that space for other stuff. I like ebooks and have even bought some of my old favorites and am getting rid of my paper one's. I also have had bad vision since I was 9 and now have to wear bifocals so the options of fonts size and boldness etc. Is nice Yes ebooks could be cheaper but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.
I also do not blame people who either don't want to get into e-reading or have gone back to paper. Again paper books are cheaper. You can find tons of hardcover books that were new last year for under 5 bucks today. So I can see the appeal of that. Also some people don't want to spend money on a device to read (e-reader) or deal with short battery life on tablets. So it is not surprising that many are migrating back to paper or not getting Into e-reading at all. The journey is all the same in the end afterall. Not a big deal for me. E-readers and ebooks are going nowhere so I'm good. Last edited by Tony1988; 10-17-2017 at 03:25 PM. |
10-17-2017, 02:08 PM | #64 |
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I value ebooks more than I do print books. It really is that simple. So I consider myself lucky that I can usually buy the ebook for just a little bit less than the price of its print counterpart.
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10-17-2017, 05:44 PM | #65 |
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The biggest thing for me, is that you don't really "own" your eBook. You are very restricted in what you can do with one. Want to give it to a friend after you're done with it? Nope, can't do that. Want to move from one eReader platform to another? Sorry, incompatible formats and DRM. A provider like Amazon could remove your access to your eBooks (technically very easy for them to do, but they'd face customer backlash for sure!)
So Mr. eBook Publisher/Supplier, if you want me to accept your restrictions, don't expect me to happily pay the same or more for your product than for a paper book that has NONE of your restrictions. Sure, I could cram 1000 books onto my eReader. But since I only read one book at a time, who cares? Sure, I could have near instant access to a new eBook. But I've already got several feet of shelf space taken up by books in queue to be read. I don't need "instant". There are certainly benefits to eBooks over paper books too. But for me, the negatives outweigh the positives when you take the retail prices charged into account. Free library eBooks, sale eBooks, independently published eBooks and the like will grab my interest (in other words, "the inexpensive ones"). But a full-priced eBook that equals or exceeds the cost of it's paper sibling, all the while full of restrictions and DRM? Not very often. If you want to give us less, you have to charge us less. "Full priced eBook" means I'll buy a "used paperback copy" instead, 95% of the time. |
10-17-2017, 05:58 PM | #66 | |
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10-17-2017, 06:11 PM | #67 | |
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If your objection to DRM is a principled, philosophical one, then it makes no difference whether DRM-removal is feasible. However, you pointed to specific drawbacks of DRM schemes, which leads me to believe you object for pragmatic reasons. In that case, DRM shouldn't count as a downside of ebooks, unless you abhor fiddling with a with a few plugins and software that allow such removal. |
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I didn't say I couldn't/wouldn't remove DRM from books I have purchased. But the publishers set their eBook retail prices quite high, with the plan/expectation that customers can't remove DRM. Actually, most customers can't. And possibly in the future, ALL customers can't. If KFX and the newer ADE DRM's were forced onto ALL eBooks right now, that would be the end of DRM removal (for the time being - the cat and mouse game would continue however, and the status might change again and again).
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My apologies. I must have had a few too many before posting. Either that, or my eyesight is worse than I thought.
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Sullivan, Beneath a Scarlet Sky This shows you that libraries are buying it in paper: http://charlotte.delco.lib.pa.us/sea...ORT=D&2%2C2%2C As you would have expected, I can't find the eBook on Overdrive. But besides that, using the Calibre lending libraries plug-in to search for library eBooks, I'm not finding it on the Cloud Library (formerly 3M), Axis 360, or RBdigital collections to which I have access. A few months ago a relative recommended another Amazon published title to my wife Barbara, and I could not get it for her as a library eBook despite my slightly crazy, but legitimate, collection of library cards (Brooklyn, many Pennsylvania, one in New Jersey, two military). She did get it as a paper book from one of the libraries in our county. Unfortunately for purposes of providing evidence that Amazon's eBook operation boycotts public libraries, it wasn't memorable enough for either our us to recall the title. I do have web access to the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post via the Brooklyn library (and probably some of the others). So the problem isn't the man, but rather the Amazon company. |
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This thread really surprises me. The publishers are pulling off a huge scam and people are buying into it all over the place but I didn't think people in this forum would buy into it.
The AAP counts books from major and a few minor publishers, most of which have increased their prices on ebooks so their ebook sales are down. Those are the numbers they publish and the news picks it up and reports it not understanding that most ebooks are either self published or from publishers not counted by the AAP. You guys already know this. I learned about it in here, primarily. Why are you suddenly forgetting about it? I'm tempted to try to sell you guys some beachfront property in Phoenix except most of you have probably already bought some. Barry |
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Any librarians or others reading this thread who can throw some light on this? As I said, a boycott by Amazon is not impossible, nor am I convinced it is the case. Last edited by darryl; 10-17-2017 at 10:16 PM. |
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