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Liviu_5 · 10-08-2007, 12:00 PM

"A car repair firm has been taken to court accused of infringing musical copyright because its employees listen to radios at work"

Link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...st/7029892.stm

NatCh · 10-08-2007, 12:57 PM

So ... their claim is that playing broadcast music in a way that more than one person can hear it is a public performance?

Okay first of all, that would mean that every radio receiver ever made which has a built in speaker has no purpose except infringing on copyright, and is therefore illegal.

The real sign that asylum management has changed hands is that the judge is actually letting this ... rubbish go forward.

It's a very sad day for the few remaining of us who can actually distinguish rational from raving.

JSWolf · 10-08-2007, 01:07 PM

Only in the UK could that happen (I hope).

NatCh · 10-08-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Only in the UK could that happen (I hope).

Seen the "Coffee is Hot" warning at McDonald's lately, JSWolf?

JSWolf · 10-08-2007, 01:14 PM

I thought coffee was stone cold. Seems I'm wrong.

NatCh · 10-08-2007, 01:50 PM

You're missing the point: "Caution -- Coffee is Hot" is the short version of "We got sued because some moron dumped hot coffee in her own lap so now we're putting a label on our coffee so that the rest of you morons out there can't claim we didn't warn you when you do the same thing." You can see why they went with the other one, they'd have to have made the "small" coffee 20oz. just to fit the full version.

JSWolf · 10-08-2007, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

You're missing the point: "Caution -- Coffee is Hot" is the short version of "We got sued because some moron dumped hot coffee in her own lap so now we're putting a label on our coffee so that the rest of you morons out there can't claim we didn't warn you when you do the same thing." You can see why they went with the other one, they'd have to have made the "small" coffee 20oz. just to fit the full version.

Oh I do remember that law suit very well. I'm surprised the judge didn't toss her ass in jail for a frivolous law suit. It was just too stupid for words. She also should have been done in for unsafe driving. It's not safe to drive with food between your knees/legs.

slayda · 10-08-2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

You're missing the point: "Caution -- Coffee is Hot" is the short version of "We got sued because some moron dumped hot coffee in her own lap so now we're putting a label on our coffee so that the rest of you morons out there can't claim we didn't warn you when you do the same thing." You can see why they went with the other one, they'd have to have made the "small" coffee 20oz. just to fit the full version.

Careful NatCh, you might get sued for libel by the mor ... er

I mean valued customers in question.

DMcCunney · 10-08-2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Only in the UK could that happen (I hope).

I guess they handle things differently over there.

Here, music is licensed by either ASCAP or BMI. Radio stations keep logs of what they broadcast, and remit the appropriate fees. The right to broadcast it to anyone in range has already been paid for.

Things used to be looser years ago, however: one of the NYC radio stations had a regular "Album for lunch" feature, where they played an entire album, uninterrupted, during lunch hour, and even broadcast a Dolby test tone before cueing the LP so tapers could calibrate their gear.

Ah, the good old days.
______
Dennis

NatCh · 10-08-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slayda

Careful NatCh, you might get sued for libel by the mor ... er

I mean valued customers in question.

Heh, they'd have to prove they weren't morons, and that I knew they weren't morons.

Wait, 'moron' has a dictionary definition, so I guess they could prove they weren't morons (if they, indeed, were not), but I genuinely and earnestly believe that the intelligence of such people is low enough to meet the definition of moron, so ....

Besides, I'd insist on a jury of my peers, (i.e. non-morons), so I'd probably be okay.

jbenny · 10-08-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

Besides, I'd insist on a jury of my peers, (i.e. non-morons), so I'd probably be okay.

Sorry, but you're SOL. It seems that only morons are allowed on juries these days

nekokami · 10-08-2007, 03:11 PM

Can someone in the UK tell us how this makes sense? Is this because the radio station is funded by a listener's tax, and they don't know if the customers have paid the listener's tax, or something? Here in the US, a radio station is happy to have their signal on speaker nearly anywhere, as that means the listeners are hearing the radio ads and they can charge more for their advertising time that way. That's what pays for the music. There must be some different legal principle at work here, but I have no idea what it would be.

sianon · 10-08-2007, 04:28 PM

mmmm, perhaps I can alert the appropriate authorities that my next door neighbor continually breaches copyright by having his music blaring so that the entire neighborhood is listening to the "performance",

NatCh · 10-08-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sianon

mmmm, perhaps I can alert the appropriate authorities that my next door neighbor continually breaches copyright by having his music blaring so that the entire neighborhood is listening to the "performance",

Wait ... suddenly this lawsuit is making perfect sense to me!

slayda · 10-08-2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

Wait, 'moron' has a dictionary definition, so I guess they could prove they weren't morons (if they, indeed, were not), but I genuinely and earnestly believe that the intelligence of such people is low enough to meet the definition of moron, so ....

The question is not if their intelligence were low enough but if it were high enough.

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10-08-2007, 12:57 PM	#2
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	So ... their claim is that playing broadcast music in a way that more than one person can hear it is a public performance? Okay first of all, that would mean that every radio receiver ever made which has a built in speaker has no purpose except infringing on copyright, and is therefore illegal. The real sign that asylum management has changed hands is that the judge is actually letting this ... rubbish go forward. It's a very sad day for the few remaining of us who can actually distinguish rational from raving.

10-08-2007, 01:07 PM	#3
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10-08-2007, 01:50 PM	#6
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	You're missing the point: "Caution -- Coffee is Hot" is the short version of "We got sued because some moron dumped hot coffee in her own lap so now we're putting a label on our coffee so that the rest of you morons out there can't claim we didn't warn you when you do the same thing." You can see why they went with the other one, they'd have to have made the "small" coffee 20oz. just to fit the full version.

10-08-2007, 03:11 PM	#12
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Can someone in the UK tell us how this makes sense? Is this because the radio station is funded by a listener's tax, and they don't know if the customers have paid the listener's tax, or something? Here in the US, a radio station is happy to have their signal on speaker nearly anywhere, as that means the listeners are hearing the radio ads and they can charge more for their advertising time that way. That's what pays for the music. There must be some different legal principle at work here, but I have no idea what it would be.

10-08-2007, 04:28 PM	#13
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