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It turns out Audible contracts have the same (court-approved) forward compatibility that HarperCollins put into the deal for JULIE OF THE WOLVES. A lot of added stuff on the subject has been coming out in the last few days. See this: https://www.acx.com/help/audiobook-l...ment/201481900 Notably exclusive deals: Quote:
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And then there is the legal definition of a "caption" as a part of an audio file: https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides...ing-television And captioning is *required* by various laws. Such as this one: https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides...ility-act-cvaa Until now, audiobooks were apparently covered by the "feasibility" clause but Audible just blew that to heck. This is a marketing pitch but it is right that captioning is becoming ubiquitous: https://cielo24.com/2019/07/video-ca...iption-trends/ So Audible may be heavy handedly taking a page out of BPH practices but they seem to be on defensible legal ground. It's not a given they'll be blocked. (The things you find by internet search. ) Last edited by fjtorres; 07-23-2019 at 06:30 PM. |
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It's in the other link. Broadcasts must be captioned but for a few exceptions. Right at the top: Quote:
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The fact is, audiobooks are available at lower prices now than practically ever. I'm not sure what there is to argue about there. |
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Where is the "feasibility" clause that you say was blown to "heck"? The only mention of "feasible" in the link was specifically in regards to "Title II - Video Programming". Quote:
I agree that "It's not a given they'll be blocked." but I don't see how these FCC rules apply |
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The first enumerates the exceptions and qualifies the mandatories with "as practical" which is how audiobooks have escaped regulation. ("Currently there are two categories of exemptions from the closed captioning rules, self-implementing and economically burdensome") With Audible proving it can be done the burdensome exemption goes away. Which is my point. The FCC pages list the *current* regulations implementing (and moderating) the requirements of the existing laws. Not the actual laws which are very/over(?) broad. There's the Americans With Disabilities Act as well as the newer 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA). Regulations are applications of the law; the listed terms are guidelines, not borders. As for audiobooks being explicitly listed, ebook readers weren't explicitly listed either. That didn't protect Kindle DX. Audiobooks not being targeted *yet* is no guarantee they won't be targeted both now that captions are doable. Neither side winning is a given but the coming lawsuits are. |
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Even the "economically burdensome" part is still specifically applicable to "Closed Captioning for Television". Link Quote:
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There might be other rules that would apply but these rules don't appear to (and I couldn't find any others that would apply.) I want this technology to expand and be widely adopted but I don't see how the FCC rules we've both now quoted can be used to say Audible "seem[s] to be on defensible legal ground" for this technology. |
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I see this as analogous to the ‘controversy’ over text-to-speech when Kindle first offered this feature. Eventually, some publishers blocked it (and still block it) on the theory that it hurt audiobook sales (despite any evidence — anecdotal or otherwise — for this then, or since), and even when there were no audiobooks to sell! DRM more generally (Adobe’s for example) also enforces this restriction. But very few people are prepared to read entire books with TTS engaged, unless they are vision impaired. And even if TTS is recorded to audio file, nobody would claim it is superior to professionally produced audiobook, at least not yet.
Indeed, screen readers (Amazon’s Voice View, Apple’s VoiceOver/SpeakScreen, Google’s TalkBack) are considered allowable exceptions and (at least for Amazon’s Kindle platform) do read out text without regard to publisher restrictions on TTS. Here we’re being asked to believe that more than a very few people are going to consider this a substitute for actually having the full text available to page through, when they would otherwise purchase the ebook AND audiobook. Which is ludicrous. Amazon could have promoted this as an ‘accessibility’ feature for people with hearing issues. And of course they could actually promote purchase of the ebook (‘did you know there’s this thing called Immersion Reading’?). And arguably, more people will be purchasing audiobooks if they know they can occasionally peek at text and use it to annotate and share, thereby promoting the book. We don’t know how many publishers will dig in their heels over this, but it would be nice if enough of them didn’t so we can see for ourselves if the feature has value. At the least we’ll see this for public domain books and KDP titles that already have audiobook companions. |
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Ok, I’m all for accessibility....but a book or ebook is ALREADY the accessible solution for those with hearing disabilities.
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Of course, to make it easy for Canadians, using Amazon.ca's Audible Matchmaker page came up with a "Sorry, we didn't find any audio matches for your Kindle books". Running it from Amazon.com, it came up with 13 ebooks from my Amazon.ca account. The total cost for those 13 ebooks was $27 Cdn while it would cost me 97.37 US for the audio given that the Canadian site did not show any matches. |
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The remainder of the message was discussing that Amazon.ca does not show any matches using Audible Matchmaker while Amazon.com shows matches for my books purchased through Amazon.ca but even with the discounted price, on the expensive side by my standards. |
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