12-12-2017, 09:58 AM | #61 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 5,009
Karma: 18018738
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Device: Kobo Forma, Libra2, Clara 2e, Kindle PW SE & Kindle 2022
|
I don't really understand most of this but I did buy a secondhand Kindle 4 to register to my account in order to try and limit my exposure to the new format for as long as I can. I like Amazon, I only have kindle ereaders now and so long as I can liberate my ebook purchases from DRM then I will continue to buy from Amazon. Once I can't i'll probably go exclusively KU.
I'm not worrying or panicking about it, I have over a thousand unread books plus hundreds i'd happily read again. I don't think anyone can predict what Amazon, or any other ebook seller will do in the future. |
12-12-2017, 10:07 AM | #62 | |
Wizard
Posts: 2,827
Karma: 10700629
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Canada
Device: Onyx Nova
|
Quote:
In any case, one can certainly foresee a time when Kindle books will become uncrackable. Amazon appears to be playing the long game and boiling the frog on a very low heat. |
|
Advert | |
|
12-12-2017, 10:09 AM | #63 |
Wizard
Posts: 2,827
Karma: 10700629
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Canada
Device: Onyx Nova
|
Question: Can kfx books be cracked when they have drm? Is there any progress in that regard?
|
12-12-2017, 10:15 AM | #64 |
The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠
Posts: 71,495
Karma: 306214458
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Norfolk, England
Device: Kindle Voyage
|
|
12-12-2017, 10:16 AM | #65 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 27,546
Karma: 193191846
Join Date: Jan 2010
Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD
|
Quote:
The problem is that the unencrypted KFX is an inferior archival format and a sub-optimal source for format shifting (because of the device-specific pre-rendered content). |
|
Advert | |
|
12-12-2017, 11:57 AM | #66 | ||
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 5,275
Karma: 98804578
Join Date: Apr 2011
Device: pb360
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
12-12-2017, 12:05 PM | #67 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 6,496
Karma: 84420419
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida
Device: Kindles
|
To my knowledge Amazon hasn't shared their reasons for developing KFX. My speculation is that the primary reason was a desire to have a common rendering engine that they had full control over and that could be used in all Kindle apps and devices.
KF8 was never released for the iOS app. Instead that supports AZK, which uses the same browser-based rendering engine as Kindle Cloud Reader. My best guess is that the modified Webkit used for rendering KF8 was not allowed by Apple. Apple has a requirement that HTML be rendered only using the Safari engine on that platform. By switching to a non-HTML-based format they have bypassed that restriction. The current system of three formats with increasing capabilities (MOBI7, KF8 and KFX) seems pretty stable to me. I don't see any particular advantage for Amazon to do away with the older formats as long as there are a significant number of customers buying books and reading them on older devices. On the other hand I also expect that there will be an increasing number of books going forward that are only available in KFX format. Currently Indic language books are only available that way. I have seen signs that Arabic language books and books with MathML will be coming soon and I believe that these will also be KFX only. Still I expect KFX-only books to be a minority for the foreseeable future. Last edited by jhowell; 12-12-2017 at 08:41 PM. |
12-12-2017, 12:15 PM | #68 | |
Just a Yellow Smiley.
Posts: 19,161
Karma: 83862859
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Texas
Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy
|
Quote:
Your suggestion to force customers to buy a new ereader would succeed in making Amazon lose customers. Some of us like our older kindles and might not could afford to replace them. PS: Menopause is a pain in a butt. It is causing the need for me to severely censor my posts. |
|
12-12-2017, 12:19 PM | #69 | |
Just a Yellow Smiley.
Posts: 19,161
Karma: 83862859
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Texas
Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy
|
Quote:
|
|
12-12-2017, 12:29 PM | #70 |
Just a Yellow Smiley.
Posts: 19,161
Karma: 83862859
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Texas
Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy
|
Hey folks,
I rightly don't worry about DRM or format or whatever. All I want is a book I can read on my chosen device. More hours in the day would be nice too. I would also like a wife for Christmas. Here is my chief complaint. People that seriously complain about how evil a company is because they are a wall garden (even I found the gate), they mistreat their employees, etc, but still give this company hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year. So if you would really like Amazon to change, quit buying from them. Personally, I don't know how true the mistreatment is because I have seen people that got fired later complain about being mistreated when they were the ones abusing other employees. |
12-12-2017, 12:30 PM | #71 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 6,496
Karma: 84420419
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida
Device: Kindles
|
Quote:
The process of conversion to KFX applies a bunch of heuristics intended to improve the look of the formatting, for example by tightening up excessive white space. It messes with units, so that a book originally coded with a particular property size expressed in pixels may have it changed to percent or ems in the interest of consistent rendering across devices. CSS is flattened into a simplified set of display rendering properties. Distinctions between HTML elements such as <p> and <div> or <span> and <b> are lost during conversion and are retained only in as much as they impact the resulting display properties of the element. There are three different ways that images can be delivered based on the platform used to read the book: SD color, HD color, and grayscale. So the image content of a book converted from KFX will depend on the type of device that the book was sent to. Kindle for PC would be superior to an e-ink device as a source for conversion. (Images in KF8 format are sometimes split out into a separate azw6 file that varies across devices in much the same way.) Last edited by jhowell; 12-12-2017 at 04:27 PM. |
|
12-12-2017, 01:14 PM | #72 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 27,546
Karma: 193191846
Join Date: Jan 2010
Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD
|
We're saying basically the same thing, I think. I'm merely using incorrect terminology. I defer to your more intimate knowledge of the inner-workings of the KFX format, of course.
|
12-12-2017, 09:45 PM | #73 | ||
Wizard
Posts: 3,108
Karma: 60231510
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7
|
Thanks to jhowell and DiapDealer for your comments on advantages of kix other than shoring up the walled garden which may have influenced Amazon's decision to go this way.
In post #60 DiapDealer wrote: Quote:
This also fits in nearly with jhowell''s comment in post #67 as to the use of only azk on the IOS app. In post #67, jhowell also wrote: Quote:
In this light I also see no real reason for Amazon to seek to withdraw kf8 files or further lock-down kfx. In fact, the development of kfx would have been a good opportunity to strengthen its drm if it was of a mind to. To my admittedly less than expert view, it seems that Amazon could have made things a great deal more difficult than they in fact did if this was their aim. Certainly they did not make it easy, but the impression I get is that they were fairly indifferent to whether the format was reverse-engineered or the drm circumvented. It is even possible that Amazon does not entirely disapprove of this development. Given the noncompetitive nature of the other major ebook vendors, Amazon logically benefits to some unknown extent from selling ebooks to their customers which some can read only by removing drm and converting to epub. Even if this number is relatively small Amazon seems to have little incentive to lose them. I'm trying to think what Amazon stands to really gain by going kfx only at this stage, particularly in light of its customer focus, and I'm not coming up with anything compelling in the foreseeable future. Last edited by darryl; 12-12-2017 at 09:48 PM. |
||
12-12-2017, 10:51 PM | #74 |
Groupie
Posts: 160
Karma: 1822810
Join Date: Oct 2017
Device: 6th Gen Kindle Paperwhite
|
I think you are giving Amazon a little too much credit for being customer focused. They drug their feet for a long time on the whole bold issue. They are going to be careful about doing anything to upset customers too much, but they aren't going to be responsive to customer's needs/wants unless there are enough of them that care.
|
12-12-2017, 11:50 PM | #75 | |
Wizard
Posts: 4,742
Karma: 246906703
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: USA
Device: Oasis 3, Oasis 2, PW3, PW1, KT
|
Quote:
Take expandable storage for example. First Kindle had that and caused problems for CS. The next Kindles had no more sd card slot. Oh my, I need expandable storage to put all my books. That is a tiny minority fringe group. Kobo used to cater to them. Not anymore. Amazon waited a long time to make a huge storage availlable as option. Coincidentally perfectly timed just after the sd card slot went the dodo bird route for Kobo in favour of better/cheaper water resistance. Amazon is smart enough to advertise the bigger storage option as place for audiobooks. The hardware is already in place with bluetooth in the cheapest Kindle and the most expensive one, even in last years Oasis. PW and Voyage are audiobook capable with an adapter. Many wrongly assumed that integrating BT in the basic was for accessibility only for the blind. Now looking at it, it is much more likely that it was the first step in reviving Audible support back into the Kindle line. Think about it - tons and tons of capable Kindles already sold and in use, all waiting for a new FW to flip support on for Audible. Sneaky, right under the competitions eyes. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Aura H2O Best return policies? | Techno | Kobo Reader | 14 | 12-21-2014 07:11 PM |
Return and Redownload Policies | wallcraft | General Discussions | 18 | 02-18-2012 12:18 PM |
Kindle, We Have a Problem: Amazon's Pricing Policies Affect Publishers | DMcCunney | News | 32 | 02-25-2011 09:46 AM |
If Amazon Were Microsoft, Would Kindle 2 Policies Be Tolerated? | estral | News | 29 | 05-19-2009 05:24 PM |
Forum policies | tompe | Feedback | 33 | 02-22-2008 12:22 PM |