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Old 11-16-2020, 06:02 PM   #826
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Thanks. So it went right to nickel? Then I feel like either the new boot sequence either skips the file entirely (which would go counter to what it says in inittab and how Linux startup scripts are supposed to work, but what do I know) OR something about KSM exits abnormally when it tries to start up and it continues on booting (at a glance, I'm leaning towards this), which is actually a good thing if true because the alternative would have been a soft brick. OR I messed up in making the .tgz and it didn't actually install in the right place, lol. :P

But like I said, I spent less than 10 minutes looking at this. I may try again when I have time at the end of the month, but no promises that I'll be able to figure out what's going on. If anyone else has any ideas, I'm all ears. I'm going to miss KSM if this is really the end. :-/
As I said, I was leaving the KSM install to another user. What I was looking at is if your modifications would allow my Mini to boot.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:21 PM   #827
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I had a couple of hours to kill today so continued playing with my Mini and KSM. I factory reset the Mini, updated to 3.19.5671-s, installed KSM 09 & KOReader and all seemed to work happily. Installed 4.25.15875 from KSM's controlled install. Rebooted and went to Nickel. Tried the restore.zip after updating the rcS file to the test version posted by @rtiangha and still booted into Nickel.

The good news is that it did not brick my Mini. The bad news is it looks as if KSM 09 is not working with 4.25 firmware.
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:09 AM   #828
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The bad news is it looks as if KSM 09 is not working with 4.25 firmware.
Yesterday I updated nickel on my Kobo Aura One. I am rather sure I did a controlled install, but my finger might have slipped - the entries are close together.
Anyhow, it rebooted into nickel, and the "Action books" ("Exit nickel" and so on) no longer worked.
Then I downloaded KSM09_plus_update_001_and_nightmode.zip, replaced the kbmenupngs just to be sure, and dropped KoboRoot.tgz in the .kobo folder. After rebooted I kept a blank screen and a blinking blue light. I waited for several hours, but no changes. Switching off and on didn't bring any changes, so eventually I did a hard factory reboot. That is where I am now, trying to figure out how to get KSM working again. It is so much better than the FMON family - which, as I understand, keep nickel in charge.
Also, I really like the "rescue connection" KSM makes the first minute - even though this time it didn't save me.
If @tshering no longer wants to support it - isn't there anyone else who might?

My current version of Kobo is given as N7097AL044956,3.0.35+,4.25.15875,3.0.35+,3.0.35+,0 0000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000373

[Update]:
I finally installed KFMon (with KOReader and Plato). That allows me to use KOReader, at least.
Would there be an easy way to add a "book" for Frotz?

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Old 11-22-2020, 01:33 PM   #829
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Someone might have (spoiler alert: not volunteering, just venting), if the full sources were actually available somewhere and the builds actually reproducible... ;o).

The fact that they've never been has probably helped slowly drive a stake through its heart over the years...

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I think the drivers are the same ones as vlasovsoft (the sources of which are available). Besides that it's plain text scripts and a few generic tools. So I think one should probably be able to come Close Enough™ within a few hours if you want to recompile the binary parts. And a motivated person would do well to simply ask nicely first.
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Old 11-22-2020, 02:41 PM   #831
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That still leaves the Qt GUI and an actual buildsystem, which has been a black box from the start .

Besides, I like kicking over anthills ^^.
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Old 11-22-2020, 07:13 PM   #832
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Yesterday I updated nickel on my Kobo Aura One. I am rather sure I did a controlled install, but my finger might have slipped - the entries are close together.
You probably did; I don't think the controlled option makes a difference. Whether it's the original rcS file that shipped with KSM or the modified one I tried to make, it seems that KSM just doesn't boot at all.

If it's a touch driver problem (doubtful, but who knows??), I noticed that the most recent vlasovsoft package was released earlier in March of this year. I don't know if the drivers are any newer than the last release (although they're probably newer than what shipped with KSM), but maybe replacing those might help.

However, when I tried to do an update roll up of KSM a while ago, I had problems with the recent version of the Glo HD driver where it wouldn't work; I had to revert to using the previous version from an older vlasovsoft version to get touch back. I don't know if that's an issue with the Glo HD or all Mark 6 devices, though. The updated driver for the Mark 7 devices still worked though.

That said, I can boot into the vlasovsoft stuff via NickelMenu, so I'm 95% certain it isn't a touch driver issue that prevents KSM from booting.
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[Update]:
I finally installed KFMon (with KOReader and Plato). That allows me to use KOReader, at least.
Would there be an easy way to add a "book" for Frotz?
I can still get into Frotz via vlasovsoft's launcher, but that's because I can't figure out how to get NickelMenu to launch it. But I haven't spent much time on it either, so I could probably be missing something super simple.
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Getting a custom QPA to behave is usually simply a few env vars away, see UMR for inspiration, where I think we had the very same kind of discussion ^^.

(Not familiar with how Frotz is built, though, is it even Qt? ).
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@tshering:
Are you listening? I think you could make a lot of people happy by releasing the source code. Not necessarily open source, if you don't want that - you could still retain a final say over the product.
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(Not familiar with how Frotz is built, though, is it even Qt? ).
KOReader has a much better environment (e.g. file browser, keyboard, ..). It would be wonderful if the IF formats would simply be recognised as document types in KOReader, and start the appropriate interpreter.
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@Biep: KOReader isn't really built to have anything taking over its screen/input (for any meaningful period of time), though, so it's a tad more problematic that just running ash or Python .
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@Biep: KOReader isn't really built to have anything taking over its screen/input (for any meaningful period of time), though, so it's a tad more problematic that just running ash or Python .
Oh - that is a pity. I had hoped it would be modular - dispatching to specialised viewers for different file types.

Likewise, I hope that nickel is started from something like a .loginrc. If so, then a script run from a computer could rename that script, and install another .loginrc that would give a simple start menu, and start nickel, KOReader, Frotz, .. depending on what the user chooses.

But I realise my model of how things work is probably way too simple.
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Well it is and it does: it defers to tightly-coupled rendering *engines*. But the UI & event loop is all KO.

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As far as the Kobo init system goes: nope, it's basically back to System V: one rcS to rule them all .

Which, quite frankly, despite the limitations, is mildly refreshing after the depgraph hellscape that is upstart on the Kindle .

If you want systemd, get a reMarkable .

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Full disclosure: I run the bouncer script so that I can have a password prompt on boot up (this was before the Nickel PIN but I kept it anyways later on) so that might have messed things up, but for fun, I decided to boot into koreader and use its terminal emulator to manually launch /adds/kbmenu/onstart/ksmhome.sh, and it seemed to work (well, it booted me to the KSM password prompt anyway), but it appeared that I didn't have touch (or at least, nothing on screen was updating).

I figured it might have had to do without setting some of the environment variables first (like the touch driver), so I tried to do the same using Konsole in vlasovsoft's launcher, and it got me to the password screen but it looked like it booted back to Konsole right away albeit the screen didn't refresh entirely as I could see Konsole output in some places on the display and tapping on where the keyboard was approximately put chars on the screen too.

I'm not quite sure what that says, although it's making me think that it's something really stupid preventing KSM from starting properly and the fix (whatever it ends up being) might be trivial. Ideas welcome.

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