11-22-2020, 01:15 PM | #1 |
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Disney Arrogance
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https://sfwa.org/2020/11/18/disney-must-pay/ How many other people are Disney cheating and have been bullied into NDAs and settlements? Greedy mouse factory. They also are major lobbyist for unreasonable extending of Copyright. Especially their own. Not to benefit actual creators or their children. Also lobbyist for DRM, which never stops piracy or protects copyright but controls consumers. They think they are unilaterally able to ignore their obligations on copyright royalty to writers just because they bought the studio? Pixar, Fox, Lucas etc. |
11-22-2020, 04:46 PM | #2 |
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This is an astonishing move by Disney, which I hope they will swiftly reverse. Although why it should have got to this stage is beyond me.
The idea that you can buy a company and acquire all the rights in contacts held by that company but none of the obligations makes a nonsense of contract law. E.g. I set up a company that enters into a 50-year lease on a property for an agreed rent. I set up a second company. Then the first company sells itself to the second company, but only the rights, not the obligations. Voila, according to Disney, the second company now has the right to occupy the property for the next 50 years, but no obligation to pay anything to the owner of the property. What's left of the first company goes bankrupt. A sweet deal for me and the second company. Not so good for the property owner. I can't see any way Disney could win this in court. So they must be planning on using all legal delay tactics at their disposal to wait out the other side. |
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11-22-2020, 07:02 PM | #3 |
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The only way I know of to get out of financial obligations is to declare bankruptcy and I can not see Disney doing that. Back when Zales Jewelers declared bankruptcy in 1992 they had millions of dollars in goods on memo from a company called Town and Country. Memo goods you do not own they are loaned to you with the understanding that when you sell something you pay for it. The company can ask for the goods to be returned at any time. The judge presiding over the bankruptcy decided that Zales did not have to pay for or return the goods that they still held. Zales to this day brags about how they emerged from bankruptcy a stronger company. Town and Country went out of business.
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11-22-2020, 07:25 PM | #4 |
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I tend to agree with one of the comments to the initial article, why in the world hasn't Allan Dean Foster (I have his two Star Wars books, btw, both in paper and ebook) sued Disney? I would have thought that would be the first thing that he did when it became clear that Disney had no intention in paying him. Of course, it simply could be that the court cost of suing Disney is more than the royalties involved. Those books have been out a long while and I would be surprised if we are talking large sums of money. Of course, you can include court cost in lawsuits.
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11-22-2020, 09:40 PM | #5 |
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P.S. It looks like he's going through the union, and they decided to go public about this. I got that mixed up with the WOTC lawsuits where at least 3 authors are going through the courts.
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11-23-2020, 04:48 AM | #7 |
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In bankruptcies the court sees two classes of claims: secured and unsecured. Secured claims get paid as best as possible and the unsecured get paid if anything is left over. And any valuables in control of the company at the moment of bankruptcy are considered assets. That includes products on consignment. All is at the discretion of the bankruptcy court. As it turns out, in publishing books are considered assets and authors unsecured creditors. That leads to things like the Nightshade/Skyhorse mess of a few years back where authors were forced to take lower royalties so Skyhorse could buy out Nightshade or see Nighshade go into bankptcy court and get nothing for years, possibly forever. http://www.michaelastackpole.com/?p=3288 It's not just consumers who need to beware who they do business with. Last edited by fjtorres; 11-23-2020 at 05:32 AM. |
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11-23-2020, 06:38 AM | #9 |
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If that is the case then Zales should have ended up owning all of the jewelry being repaired, that was in their physical possession at the time of the filing. But wait, that might have pissed off Zale"s customers.
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It depends on the paperwork. (Also, a lot of repair work gets farmed out.) Bankruptcy is about ordered resolution and preserving (or liquidating) the business, not fairness. That's why union and/or rental agreements get voided. Here: https://www.justia.com/consumer/cons...pt-businesses/ Last edited by fjtorres; 11-23-2020 at 07:02 AM. |
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11-23-2020, 08:26 AM | #11 |
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It can be, of course, but civil suits frequently include court costs. It's entirely possible that Disney isn't going to take him seriously until he actually does file a law suit.
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I wonder, if the plaintiff sues and wins, can he claim for legal expenses incurred. As side note, Gaimon's post above notes that corporations can insure for legal costs. They probably don't need to claim on insurance as plaintiffs can's afford to sue them. Last edited by Pajamaman; 11-23-2020 at 01:45 PM. |
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11-23-2020, 03:40 PM | #14 |
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In defense of Disney. Nope. Can't do it. There is no defense. I hope Foster gets punitives.
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