4.3 viewer feedback.

Kythe42 · 11-08-2019, 12:33 PM

Thank you, Kovid, for re-adding the side toolbar. It's not 100% the same as the previous one, but I'm not sure that anything that's missing is anything that I actually used.

Will it be possible to get the top toolbar added back as an option as well in a future version? As I stated as feedback in a previous version, the ability to add the book position to the page header doesn't do me much good if I can't actually click on it and type in the book position. I realize that this has been added as an option in the control menu, but it takes two clicks to get to it which is very inconvenient when you want to quickly switch back and forth between two or more positions. It would also be nice to be able to have the search box permanently docked. I think overall I just also really liked having the top toolbar there to frame things. It just feels more comfortable for my eyes somehow.

Regarding the headers/footers themselves, would it be possible to be able to set the font size for them in a future version? They're too small as they currently are.

I find that I'm still really struggling with the new control and preference menus hurting my eyes within a few seconds making it extremely difficult to use them. Despite the pain that it's causing me, I'm trying to look back and forth between these menus on the different versions to try to pinpoint what I think might be the problem for me. It's difficult to be certain, but I think what might be hurting my eyes about these new menus is that things are too large. I'm not sure the actual text is any larger, but the buttons, tabs, or whatever you want to call them that the text is in are definitely larger in the new version.

Then on top of them feeling too large, they all feel really crowded and squished together being contained within the confines of the viewer, whereas in the previous viewer it was a popup menu that could be resized to a larger size than what I had the viewer itself set as. I realize people's mileage may vary on this depending on what size they tend to have the viewer window set as, but I have mine set at a comfortable size for me for the purposes of reading which is the full vertical length of my screen, but less than half the width of my screen.

As I said, this is my best guess for why the menus on the new viewer hurt my eyes, but this sort of thing can really be subject to trial and error to figure it out.

Thanks for your continued work on this project. I hope my feedback has been helpful.

theducks · 11-08-2019, 12:47 PM

Kythe
The toolbar is dockable. Grab the bar in the Left margin and move it to where you want it.
(my pref was the Right edge)

Kythe42 · 11-08-2019, 12:52 PM

I'm sorry if this wasn't clear, but I want both a left toolbar and a top toolbar like I previously had, and the current toolbar does not have the functions that the previous top toolbar did.

theducks · 11-08-2019, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kythe42

I'm sorry if this wasn't clear, but I want both a left toolbar and a top toolbar like I previously had, and the current toolbar does not have the functions that the previous top toolbar did.

Sorry, I was not even aware the old viewer HAD multiple tool bars

(I only used the one I moved to the Left. And that looked just like what I restored in 4.3)

Kythe42 · 11-08-2019, 01:49 PM

Interesting. It was the default when I started using Calibre, and I liked it just fine. I can't even find an option to disable just the top toolbar. I can only find an option for hiding them in general which hides both of the toolbars. I wonder if you might have had both of them docked on the same side of the viewer, which is possible to do, but if you had it set up that way, it would probably look like more options were missing from the toolbar being added back in 4.3.

BetterRed · 11-08-2019, 04:27 PM

I hoped/assumed the shortcut to toggle show/hide the toolbar would also be restored, it takes 2 keystrokes and 3 mouse clicks to do what Ctrl/F11 did.

Problem: show the toolbar when not in full screen mode, then press F11, there's no tool bar - there's empty space where it ought to be. Close the viewer, then view same or another book, it will open in full screen mode and the toolbar is there.

There's no option to clear the recently read list, it used to be at the top of the list.

BR

kovidgoyal · 11-08-2019, 07:51 PM

As is noted in the chagelog simply press the ; key to go to a location.

Kythe42 · 11-08-2019, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

As is noted in the chagelog simply press the ; key to go to a location.

Thanks, I suppose I didn't see that when I was reading it. While that does make it faster to get to the go to menu, it would be vastly preferable to be able to do it without it covering up the entire text of the book, which is another reason it would be nice to have the option to add the other toolbar back in a future version. I also greatly prefer solutions that aren't dependant on keyboard shortcuts because with the exception of the keyboard commands for cut/copy/paste, I find them to be quite difficult to remember.

sjfan · 11-08-2019, 09:19 PM

The improved startup time on big epubs is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

JimmXinu · 11-09-2019, 02:26 PM

+1 appreciation for improved startup time!

An unrelated thing; I didn't realize how much I used the combo box drop-down of previously searched words. Any chance of adding that in the new viewer?

BetterRed · 11-09-2019, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmXinu

An unrelated thing; I didn't realize how much I used the combo box drop-down of previously searched words. Any chance of adding that in the new viewer?

Also see this.

BR

kovidgoyal · 11-09-2019, 08:42 PM

It's still there, just type a letter and completions from previous searches will pop up

JimmXinu · 11-09-2019, 08:57 PM

True, but only those you remember the first character for--which I confess I don't always.

And if it's going to be keyboard focused, I don't think it's working quite right. I can arrow down, but only the letter(s) typed are searched for.

IE, I search, type 't', arrow down to previously searched 'tomorrow', hit enter, search highlights the next 't'.

BetterRed · 11-10-2019, 02:08 AM

Freshly discovered feature/bug - press space in search box, then backspace - et voila - list of recent searches

Please don't fix it

BR

kovidgoyal · 11-10-2019, 02:19 AM

you dont have to press space you can press any key

11-08-2019, 12:33 PM	#1
Kythe42 Zealot Posts: 122 Karma: 8440 Join Date: Aug 2013 Device: Android tablet	4.3 viewer feedback. Thank you, Kovid, for re-adding the side toolbar. It's not 100% the same as the previous one, but I'm not sure that anything that's missing is anything that I actually used. Will it be possible to get the top toolbar added back as an option as well in a future version? As I stated as feedback in a previous version, the ability to add the book position to the page header doesn't do me much good if I can't actually click on it and type in the book position. I realize that this has been added as an option in the control menu, but it takes two clicks to get to it which is very inconvenient when you want to quickly switch back and forth between two or more positions. It would also be nice to be able to have the search box permanently docked. I think overall I just also really liked having the top toolbar there to frame things. It just feels more comfortable for my eyes somehow. Regarding the headers/footers themselves, would it be possible to be able to set the font size for them in a future version? They're too small as they currently are. I find that I'm still really struggling with the new control and preference menus hurting my eyes within a few seconds making it extremely difficult to use them. Despite the pain that it's causing me, I'm trying to look back and forth between these menus on the different versions to try to pinpoint what I think might be the problem for me. It's difficult to be certain, but I think what might be hurting my eyes about these new menus is that things are too large. I'm not sure the actual text is any larger, but the buttons, tabs, or whatever you want to call them that the text is in are definitely larger in the new version. Then on top of them feeling too large, they all feel really crowded and squished together being contained within the confines of the viewer, whereas in the previous viewer it was a popup menu that could be resized to a larger size than what I had the viewer itself set as. I realize people's mileage may vary on this depending on what size they tend to have the viewer window set as, but I have mine set at a comfortable size for me for the purposes of reading which is the full vertical length of my screen, but less than half the width of my screen. As I said, this is my best guess for why the menus on the new viewer hurt my eyes, but this sort of thing can really be subject to trial and error to figure it out. Thanks for your continued work on this project. I hope my feedback has been helpful.

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11-08-2019, 12:47 PM	#2
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,762 Karma: 54401244 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Kythe The toolbar is dockable. Grab the bar in the Left margin and move it to where you want it. (my pref was the Right edge)

11-08-2019, 12:52 PM	#3
Kythe42 Zealot Posts: 122 Karma: 8440 Join Date: Aug 2013 Device: Android tablet	I'm sorry if this wasn't clear, but I want both a left toolbar and a top toolbar like I previously had, and the current toolbar does not have the functions that the previous top toolbar did.

11-08-2019, 01:49 PM	#5
Kythe42 Zealot Posts: 122 Karma: 8440 Join Date: Aug 2013 Device: Android tablet	Interesting. It was the default when I started using Calibre, and I liked it just fine. I can't even find an option to disable just the top toolbar. I can only find an option for hiding them in general which hides both of the toolbars. I wonder if you might have had both of them docked on the same side of the viewer, which is possible to do, but if you had it set up that way, it would probably look like more options were missing from the toolbar being added back in 4.3.

11-08-2019, 04:27 PM	#6
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,532 Karma: 26944418 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	I hoped/assumed the shortcut to toggle show/hide the toolbar would also be restored, it takes 2 keystrokes and 3 mouse clicks to do what Ctrl/F11 did. Problem: show the toolbar when not in full screen mode, then press F11, there's no tool bar - there's empty space where it ought to be. Close the viewer, then view same or another book, it will open in full screen mode and the toolbar is there. There's no option to clear the recently read list, it used to be at the top of the list. BR

11-08-2019, 07:51 PM	#7
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,826 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	As is noted in the chagelog simply press the ; key to go to a location.

11-08-2019, 09:19 PM	#9
sjfan Addict Posts: 281 Karma: 7724454 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Bethesda, MD, USA Device: Kobo Aura H20, Kobo Clara HD	The improved startup time on big epubs is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

11-09-2019, 02:26 PM	#10
JimmXinu Plugin Developer Posts: 6,305 Karma: 3966249 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Midwest USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite(10th)	+1 appreciation for improved startup time! An unrelated thing; I didn't realize how much I used the combo box drop-down of previously searched words. Any chance of adding that in the new viewer?

11-09-2019, 08:42 PM	#12
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,826 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It's still there, just type a letter and completions from previous searches will pop up

11-09-2019, 08:57 PM	#13
JimmXinu Plugin Developer Posts: 6,305 Karma: 3966249 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Midwest USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite(10th)	True, but only those you remember the first character for--which I confess I don't always. And if it's going to be keyboard focused, I don't think it's working quite right. I can arrow down, but only the letter(s) typed are searched for. IE, I search, type 't', arrow down to previously searched 'tomorrow', hit enter, search highlights the next 't'.

11-10-2019, 02:08 AM	#14
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,532 Karma: 26944418 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Freshly discovered feature/bug - press space in search box, then backspace - et voila - list of recent searches Please don't fix it BR

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11-10-2019, 02:19 AM	#15
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,826 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	you dont have to press space you can press any key