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A fee you pay in order to license the work for use. The exact amount depends on what type of work and for what use. They don't list the costs on the website but they say in most cases you'll get an estimate during the online application process.
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Second based on what's in the register I don't think "big IP companies" are swooping in and appyling for licenses on lots of works. |
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11-23-2020, 08:34 AM | #17 | |
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Pretty much by definition there isn't much money to be made with orphaned works. There might be the exception that proves the rule, but mostly we are talking about books that tend to be slightly obscure. |
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11-23-2020, 09:25 AM | #18 |
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Also, note that the amount held in trust for any rights holders will only be the amount of the agreed fee, not the total profit from sales of the book.
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11-23-2020, 09:46 AM | #19 | |
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Payment for a writer's work may be spread out over many years. Should the writer's kids not be able to receive the full benefit of their parent's work because the money came in over time instead of all at once? I do think there should be some time limit on copyright - a while back we had a long thread discussing it and opinions on the proper length were all over the place. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...ight=copyright |
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11-23-2020, 10:28 AM | #20 |
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Date of first publication + 50 or life, whichever is longer. Or something like it.
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11-23-2020, 10:41 AM | #21 |
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The old US system of a copyright term of 28 years, renewable once for an additional 28 years seemed and still seems reasonable to me. Perhaps a tad longer than ideal, but fair enough to all parties including the public.
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11-23-2020, 11:11 AM | #22 |
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I would do it as 28 years from publish if the author is dead. If the author dies and the the book has been out more then 28 years, it goes into the PD. If the author dies before 28 years have passed, then when 28 years has passed, the book goes into PD. Yes this can give us 28 years or more, but nothing unreasonable. And the House of Mouse would be PD now.
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11-23-2020, 12:57 PM | #24 |
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Maybe I misunderstood the documents, but it looked like there was a one-time fee for the license, as well as a per book fee that is collected and held in case a legitimate rights holder appears. I was under the impression that the per book fee would be returned after eight years along with the one-time fee. Is that not true? Does the administration get to keep the per book fee if there is no rights holder?
I was also not trying to imply that the big IP corporations were republishing orphaned works. Instead, I meant that the "friction" keeping orphaned works out of the market was good for the big corporations because it meant less competition for them. Last edited by rkomar; 11-23-2020 at 12:59 PM. |
11-24-2020, 08:54 AM | #25 |
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Google seems to think they get to decide what is an Orphan work.
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11-24-2020, 10:34 AM | #26 |
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I object to the government providing a service to a business (the writer and the publisher both) for free. There ought to be a yearly fee for that service. I'm not talking huge amounts here, just the cost of a latte each year. If it's not worth $5 to the rights holder they must not value it much. For things like diaries that someone doesn't want published at all keep it private like your bank statements. That's what safety deposit boxes are for. If someone gets a hold of it don't worry about copyright infringement charge them with burglary and breaking and entering. Or burn it.
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12-07-2020, 12:10 PM | #27 |
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I've always been of a mindset that copyright should last the life of the author, and perhaps a small period after to help settle affairs of the estate (that way pending royalty payments at the time of death and such would go to the estate). I do believe that copyright should help further creation, so, let it help them create for as long as they can.
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