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What with inventory management systems, someone should have real statistics on old fashioned shoplifting. I'm not finding anything really systematic, but this interested me: Steal These Books Quote:
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Why? Because everybody and their dog were busy converting their existing audio libraries from analog to CD. Libraries they had spent years and decades to build. 90% of my audio library was pre-CD recordings. Most Boomers are similar. However, once you converted, you don't do it twice. The wave of titles being converted dried up by the late 90's. Figure a 2-4 year lag (I'll get around to buy Bozo and the Clown when I have some spare money.) No more conversions, no more big market. The music people thought it would go on forever, paying absolutely no attention to marketplace saturation. You see the same thing with DVD's on the last few years. Piracy? More likely the people who build libraries have finished building their libraries. When you have 500-1000 DVD's, you're in no great rush to buy more. Being able to (re)watch the DVD's you already have is why you bought them in the first place.... |
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02-20-2012, 09:00 PM | #63 | |
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You sound like it was okay to punish billons of innocent people as long as some have been guilty. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Please come back down to planet earth and stop comparing speeding motorists to book pirates and make it sound like downloading a book was a security thread to every living person on planet earth. People downloading a book will certainly not kill people. Speeding might. Pointing a gun at someones head and pulling the trigger most certainly will. But neither of that has got something to do with wanting to have your book free of DRM - nor does wanting to have books free of DRM make you a potential pirate. You make it sound as if someone wanting to buy a book that has no DRM was as bad as terrorists, drunken drivers or the like. That's ridiculous and insulting, IMHO. I'm not stealing the food out of somebody's mouth just because I want to buy from Amazon but read on my Kobo, for example... DRM is not only imperfect, it's completely useless - unless it was created to annoy paying customers. It does not stop people from pirating stuff. It only prevents honest customers from reading their books on whichever device they choose to read them on. DRM and criminalizing innocent people is no effective measure. People accused of something they didn't do time and again will ultimately commit the crimes they were accused of. If you've been made to believe that you are bad, you may end up acting bad. And why shouldn't you? What could be a good measure? Making it easy for people to get their stuff legally, providing a safe way to get their books and pay for them. Offer good products. Well written books with good formatting and editing, with a cover and table of content, maps large enough to read, at least on the computer screen (and not tiny like a thumbnail). Set a reasonable price. Offer discounts. Make the book something special a pirated version can not offer (like the hand signed book that was mentioned). How about book flatrates? Like being able to download 3 books for 9 USD a month, for example. Giving away the first book of a series to get people interested in buying the rest. I guess I could come up with more ideas. Future would tell if any of these would be useful. I know I'd be interested in various of these... Publishers need to think out of the box instead of thinking that all their customers are potentially bad people they have to shut in so they can't commit the crime they were surely about to commit. Last edited by Jaden; 02-20-2012 at 11:31 PM. Reason: added the missing "have" |
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Until last September, I only used my Kindle for newspapers, essays, and public domain. If it wasn't for DRM, that would still be the case, but DRM has allowed library eBook borrowing, which I now use a lot. In your no-DRM world, I don't see how the Overdrive/library model could work. Quote:
______________________ * EDITED: Thinking back on this post, I could have been a little high-handed regarding evidence here. My ideas about how nineteenth century people got their books come mostly from novels mentioning the famous Mudie's Lending Library, but I don't really know for a fact that more books were borrowed than bought in any given decade. Here are what appear to me quite accurate statistics for Canada today. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 02-20-2012 at 10:27 PM. |
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Edit: Just seen the link. Not sure if that's true for all around the world. But the "minority of people buying books" is not that small - or rather the amount of bought books, that is. Also you have to take into account that it depends on what you read and how much you read. Most people are able to buy a few books a month, at least where I live. And I'm not talking about rich people with a fancy library of books they've never read... Of course 1-5 books could be very little if you're one of the persons who reads a book of about 500 pages in a day or two... And over here, books are way more overpriced than in the US, for example. Anyway, we are talking about DRM for books people buy - or at least I am - and that it can't be in the publishers' best interest to annoy those willing to buy their stuff. Quote:
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And there are always publishers blaming piracy for the problems they encounter, not unreasonable pricing or DRM or geo restrictions... ETA: Also my "offer discounts" was just trying to present an idea. I know there are already discount codes, for example, or the Kindle deal of the day. Which is good and is surely getting people to buy stuff. Last edited by Jaden; 02-20-2012 at 11:31 PM. |
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It is too easy to blame file sharing instead of looking at their own outdated business models, regional pricing (let's rip off Australians), business structuring and restrictive business practices. To make sure the blame on file sharing is reinforced, dodgy reports with dodgy statistics equating every download as a sales loss are released to the media once in a while to continue the spin. DRM is just one of the great failures that publishers cling to. DRM for library loan ebooks is fine, the old model meant you returned the book once read or the due date of the loan arrived. DRM furthers that premise. However, if a book is PURCHASED for personal consumption, then DRM is an artificial barrier that severely limits the purchaser in regards to what they can with their paid for content. Fair use is crippled, backup options non existent, locked to one type of ereader etc etc... DRM deserves the contempt that buyers heap on it and further, those publishers that keep feeding us bovine excreta about how it helps keeps the pirates at bay deserve our contempt even more. Last edited by sabredog; 02-20-2012 at 11:00 PM. |
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DRM is not a law and it's not law enforcement either. It doesn't work. And if there was a "working" DRM (that can't be cracked), it would not prevent piracy, either. People would do what they've done before there were official ebooks (and still do if there are none): scan the books and upload them. And people willing to pay for the content that are too restricted and annoyed by DRM will download them. That's the reason why DRM won't work. |
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Piracy is killing creative industries and we need greater enforcement to ensure that creators are compensated! Everyone is making way, way less money now thanks to the internet!
If only reality actually said that: Quick, better impose more draconian laws before the entertainment industry makes even more money! Oh, and that previous chart that showed a big decline in music sales? It's a little deceptive because (i) Recorded music isn't representative of the wider music industry's situation; and (ii) in 1999 (right around where things on the chart start to collapse), the major record labels were charged with illegal price fixing... a practice they then agreed to cease. And, of course, when you stop price fixing, generally speaking your revenue goes down. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 02-21-2012 at 07:29 AM. |
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I don't see how being anti-DRM is the equivalent of saying "authors should just suck it up and cut their losses." I've bought DRM-free books. Isn't buying the opposite of telling authors to just go suck it up?
Many people on this board who have bought DRM'ed content have admitted to stripping the DRM the second the book hits their computer. This has robbed authors how? The author has been paid. A person sitting there with money in their hand ready to BUY something does not appreciate being called a thief, while they are in the act of doing the opposite. |
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We would be talking about sharing ebooks with college buddies, Facebook friends, Twitter followers, listservs-in short , sharing ebooks the way we now share blog posts, jokes, emails, etc. and the way young people share music. You 've admitted more than once in earlier threads that this really would cost publishers a lot. Don't backtrack now. |
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