Do some publishers have any idea?

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Ah, I see, the old move the goalpost argument. No, not all hentai is pedo porn. The term refers to any porn that one might consider abnormal. If you look back at what I actually said, before you went into instinctive attack mode, I said "No idea if that's really the case or if it's just some sort of urban legend". It's history does date back to the post WW II revival of manga though.

If you want to pretend that there isn't an element of pedo porn in the school girl costume thread that runs through manga, that's your choice. Personally, I can see why it makes some people uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]

I must have misread your comment:

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Yes, supposedly that is how Manga got it's start, pedo porn that was stylized enough that the Japanese courts wouldn't throw you in jail for having it because it didn't look enough like a real kid to count.

Clearly you meant something else...

Originally Posted by pwalker8

If you want to pretend that there isn't an element of pedo porn in the school girl costume thread that runs through manga, that's your choice. Personally, I can see why it makes some people uncomfortable.

I can see why it makes some people uncomfortable. I'm just saying your comment quoted above saying manga got its start as a way to pass off pornography that would be controversial is complete and total BS. You still have cited no source beyond "I've heard..."

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

For *most* I would agree but I've know more than my share of 30ish women, not all actresses, that can easily and credibly pass for teenagers. (A friend of mine is married to one who didn't physically age from 14-32, and not even childbirth changed her. He had some explaining to do from time to time. )

Conversely, there's more than a few guys who've taken 15 year olds who can for 25.
Either can lead to trouble.

Any of you boys ever ogle a Vicky's? Victoria's Secret catalogue? Anybody here want to take a WAG at the average age of a model, in there? Trust me, it ain't >18. Most of VS's models are 14-15 years old. And no, that's not some urban myth. I was in the biz and I know full well what age most models are, when they are really working, especially for swimsuit and skivvies catalogs.

If you've ever been like most hetero males and taken a look--that's what you were looking at.

Hitch

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Any of you boys ever ogle a Vicky's? Victoria's Secret catalogue? Anybody here want to take a WAG at the average age of a model, in there? Trust me, it ain't >18. Most of VS's models are 14-15 years old. And no, that's not some urban myth. I was in the biz and I know full well what age most models are, when they are really working, especially for swimsuit and skivvies catalogs.

If you've ever been like most hetero males and taken a look--that's what you were looking at.

Hitch

14-15 is legal age for sex in many countries. Now if those models were 12-13, then it would be pedo porn.

[Deskisamess]

The current trend of complete hair removal on women also makes them look like pre-pubescent age girls.

It's creepy and twisted.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

14-15 is legal age for sex in many countries. Now if those models were 12-13, then it would be pedo porn.

I agree with that, but still....

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

The current trend of complete hair removal on women also makes them look like pre-pubescent age girls.

It's creepy and twisted.

I agree with that, actually. I told someone, a long time ago and far away that if he wanted me to look like a child, we were done. It is absolutely CREEPIFYING.

Hitch

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

The current trend of complete hair removal on women also makes them look like pre-pubescent age girls.

It's creepy and twisted.

Completely agreed. I've heard of boys getting a real shock when having real sex the first time - omg she has hairs down there! The poor boy had thought that adult women never grew any body hair, from all the porn he'd watched.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Completely agreed. I've heard of boys getting a real shock when having real sex the first time - omg she has hairs down there! The poor boy had thought that adult women never grew any body hair, from all the porn he'd watched.

AAAGGGHHH!!!! Loup-Garou!

Hitch

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Hitch

AAAGGGHHH!!!! Loup-Garou!

Hitch

One can only hope it won't start another trend of heart attacks in adolescent boys.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I must have misread your comment:

No, you just selectively ignored the rest of the comment which I just quoted. I can understand why you are trying to ignore it though.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Completely agreed. I've heard of boys getting a real shock when having real sex the first time - omg she has hairs down there! The poor boy had thought that adult women never grew any body hair, from all the porn he'd watched.

All I can say is that things must have surely changed a lot since I was a teenager. Of course, they didn't have Victoria's Secret. Back then it was the good old Sears catalogue and maybe Playboy if you had a friend who's father read the articles.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

All I can say is that things must have surely changed a lot since I was a teenager. Of course, they didn't have Victoria's Secret. Back then it was the good old Sears catalogue and maybe Playboy if you had a friend who's father read the articles.

My father had a pack of cards with hardcore porn photos (he was a long-distance sailor). He thought he'd hidden them well away, but I knew where he kept them and we looked at them regularly with all the neighborhood kids. Those cards were pretty hardcore even by today's standards.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

My father had a pack of cards with hardcore porn photos (he was a long-distance sailor). He thought he'd hidden them well away, but I knew where he kept them and we looked at them regularly with all the neighborhood kids. Those cards were pretty hardcore even by today's standards.

One friend of mine's father collected Tijuana Bibles, Beeline and Liverpool Library Press books. I remember the Liverpool Library books were not that badly written and had covers that looked family friendly.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

My father had a pack of cards with hardcore porn photos (he was a long-distance sailor). He thought he'd hidden them well away, but I knew where he kept them and we looked at them regularly with all the neighborhood kids. Those cards were pretty hardcore even by today's standards.

Sure, there was hardcore porn back then. One of my college roommates had his father's collection of old black and white porn from the 30's that you played on one of those old movie projectors. I'm just talking about what was available to the average 12-14 year old boy when I was that age. There was plenty of hardcore porn kept behind the counter of the news stand wrapped in brown paper wrappers. We just couldn't get at it.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Sure, there was hardcore porn back then. One of my college roommates had his father's collection of old black and white porn from the 30's that you played on one of those old movie projectors. I'm just talking about what was available to the average 12-14 year old boy when I was that age. There was plenty of hardcore porn kept behind the counter of the news stand wrapped in brown paper wrappers. We just couldn't get at it.

And let's not forget National Geographic, LOL. Along with scrounged issues of Playboy, et al.

Hitch

[HarryT]

Dear all,

This is really not an appropriate topic of conversation for MR. Please let’s drop the subject and return to the topic of the thread.

Thanks.