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GreyWolfsGhost · 03-13-2018, 10:33 AM

The cheapest I can find the eBook in Canada is $9.99 (google play) which would either mean the book or Beer. My library doesn't have the eBook

That being said:

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Originally Posted by astrangerhere

For everyone waiting to get to the book - it is a quick read. I go through 100 pages in one sitting (and that was with the slowing addition of two 16 oz IPAs).

What IPA would you recommend with this book?

astrangerhere · 03-13-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyWolfsGhost

What IPA would you recommend with this book?

I'm one of those annoying people that drink a lot of local brews, so my recommendations, by and large, would be very geographically restricted. Though any good imperial IPA would do. I think New Belgium Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA is widely available.

Personally, I was drinking a seasonal limited release by a local called NoDa Brewing out of Charlotte, NC.

GreyWolfsGhost · 03-13-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by astrangerhere

I'm one of those annoying people that drink a lot of local brews, so my recommendations, by and large, would be very geographically restricted. Though any good imperial IPA would do. I think New Belgium Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA is widely available.

Personally, I was drinking a seasonal limited release by a local called NoDa Brewing out of Charlotte, NC.

Thanks for the information, I enjoy micro brews too, I keep an eye out for NoDa. I liked Voodoo Ranger but my beer store doesn't have any.

Off to see if my library has the dead tree version of the book.

CRussel · 03-13-2018, 11:26 AM

Consider a bit of geographical travel to the UK. Not difficult with Kobo, and the price there is £2.99 (less than $5.50 CDN).

orlok · 03-13-2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CRussel

Consider a bit of geographical travel to the UK. Not difficult with Kobo, and the price there is £2.99 (less than $5.50 CDN).

Give us a wave as you fly by. I've already got a pbook version, so I'll be using that for my reread.

CRussel · 03-13-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by orlok

Give us a wave as you fly by. I've already got a pbook version, so I'll be using that for my reread.

latepaul · 03-13-2018, 03:16 PM

How many pages is the pbook? The Amazon listing says 594. I'm basing my estimate of when I need to start reading on how long it'll take me to read ~600 pages.

JSWolf · 03-13-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by latepaul

How many pages is the pbook? The Amazon listing says 594. I'm basing my estimate of when I need to start reading on how long it'll take me to read ~600 pages.

The hardcover is 380 pages.
The paperback is 464 pages.
The ePub is 342 ADE pages.

This is not a 600 page book. The Kindle version page number (594) that Amazon cites is wrong. Amazon quite frequently gets it wrong.

latepaul · 03-13-2018, 04:10 PM

Ok, thanks.

Dazrin · 03-13-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The hardcover is 380 pages.
The paperback is 464 pages.
The ePub is 342.

This is not a 600 page book. The Kindle version page number (594) that Amazon cites is wrong. Amazon quite frequently gets it wrong.

What paperback is 464 pages? What hardcover is 380 pages? You are using blanket statements for things without enough detail.

GR lists anywhere from 320 (first edition hard cover) to 575 pages (Arrow Books paperback). One language has a 640 page hard cover version.

The Amazon listing actually uses the Arrow Books version (ISBN 0099457067, link) but GR lengths don't include front and back matter (at least they aren't supposed to) so the numbers aren't always exactly the same.

latepaul: I look at the "All Editions" link on Goodreads to get an idea for page lengths that I am comfortable with. I normally base it on a mass market paperback version but that isn't always available. I am trying to shift my internal gauge to use word counts (which are often available at BookShout or AR BookFinder) since that seems more consistent than page counts.

JSWolf · 03-13-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazrin

What paperback is 464 pages? What hardcover is 380 pages? You are using blanket statements for things without enough detail.

GR lists anywhere from 320 (first edition hard cover) to 575 pages (Arrow Books paperback). One language has a 640 page hard cover version.

The Amazon listing actually uses the Arrow Books version (ISBN 0099457067, link) but GR lengths don't include front and back matter (at least they aren't supposed to) so the numbers aren't always exactly the same.

I got my page numbers from the hardcover and paperback versions alongside the Kindle version. https://www.amazon.com/Making-Histor.../dp/1616955252

Also, the ePub version is not that far off that at 342 ADE pages it would be close to 594 pBook pages. So really, that 597 page pBook version is not all that accurate. It could be large print, wide line spaces, bit margins, etc.

JSWolf · 03-13-2018, 04:37 PM

Making History is roughly 120588 words. That's using the latest version Word Count plugin for Calibre with the ePub. I've read books with larger word counts and in no way would they be even close to 594 pages.

So I have to conclude that the Acorn version is just a mess given how far off base the page numbering is.

JSWolf · 03-13-2018, 04:47 PM

Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson that we read for the Book Club, is said to be 594 pages for Amazon's Kindle edition. It comes in at roughly 210518 words. So how can a book that's 120588 words be the same number of pages as a book that's 210518 words?

There's roughly a 90,000 word count difference.

GreyWolfsGhost · 03-13-2018, 05:01 PM

It all depends on the version of the book.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/b...9781616955250/
Paperback | $16.00
Published by Soho Press
Dec 30, 2014 | 464 Pages | 5-1/2 x 8-1/4 | ISBN 9781616955250

https://www.penguin.com.au/books/mak...-9780099457060
Paperback
9780099457060
October 1, 2004
Arrow
592 pages

Dazrin · 03-13-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I got my page numbers from ...

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Making History is roughly 1205...

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson ...

The point is that page counts by themselves don't necessarily mean much. They can (as pointed out above) vary by over a hundred pages even within the same "format" of book and without seeing the actual book we are only guessing as to what that means. As I mentioned to latepaul, I tend to look at the "All Editions" link at GR and use either specifically the MMPB format or use an "average" value for the paperback options rather than use just what is shown on Amazon or the first result that shows up at GR. Using the average seems to give me more consistent results.

For words, the word count estimate from BookShout is 120,773, so very close to Calibre's estimate, but even with that I have read books with 115k to 125k words that have lengths less than 300 pages to almost 550 pages and average about 420 pages. Formatting makes such a huge difference, over 120k words a 1 or 2 pt difference in print size can add a lot of pages.

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03-13-2018, 11:26 AM	#49
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,159 Karma: 79742714 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), Fire HD 8	Consider a bit of geographical travel to the UK. Not difficult with Kobo, and the price there is £2.99 (less than $5.50 CDN).

03-13-2018, 03:16 PM	#52
latepaul Wizard Posts: 1,264 Karma: 10203040 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: a variety (mostly kindles and kobos)	How many pages is the pbook? The Amazon listing says 594. I'm basing my estimate of when I need to start reading on how long it'll take me to read ~600 pages.

03-13-2018, 04:10 PM	#54
latepaul Wizard Posts: 1,264 Karma: 10203040 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: a variety (mostly kindles and kobos)	Ok, thanks.

03-13-2018, 04:37 PM	#57
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,970 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Making History is roughly 120588 words. That's using the latest version Word Count plugin for Calibre with the ePub. I've read books with larger word counts and in no way would they be even close to 594 pages. So I have to conclude that the Acorn version is just a mess given how far off base the page numbering is.

03-13-2018, 04:47 PM	#58
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,970 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson that we read for the Book Club, is said to be 594 pages for Amazon's Kindle edition. It comes in at roughly 210518 words. So how can a book that's 120588 words be the same number of pages as a book that's 210518 words? There's roughly a 90,000 word count difference.

03-13-2018, 05:01 PM	#59
GreyWolfsGhost Enthusiast Posts: 34 Karma: 1681374 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Great White North Device: Glowlight 3, Kindle Keyboard, android, apple...	It all depends on the version of the book. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/b...9781616955250/ Paperback \| $16.00 Published by Soho Press Dec 30, 2014 \| 464 Pages \| 5-1/2 x 8-1/4 \| ISBN 9781616955250 https://www.penguin.com.au/books/mak...-9780099457060 Paperback 9780099457060 October 1, 2004 Arrow 592 pages

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