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Old 06-25-2019, 10:46 AM   #31
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The main problem with ebooks is Amazon. They insist on listing a meaningless page count.
I've started putting the approximate main text word count in the extended 'blurbs' and I put it on the copyright page.
Oh, c'mon. That's how books were sold for ages--you never walked into a DT bookstore and saw some sign saying "get Dan Brown's latest bestseller, 120K words!" No, you just picked up a book and eyeballed it or flipped to the end and saw the page count.

What Amazon's doing is no real difference. Hell, their "page counts" for eBooks are probably more accurate than print, as they use characters to calculate locations and thence pages.

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Old 06-25-2019, 11:26 AM   #32
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And it was always evil. Only word counts count.
Actually I don't that much care about page or word count except to know if it's a short, novella or book.

Amazon's page count is meaningless to the general public.
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Old 06-25-2019, 12:13 PM   #33
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And it was always evil. Only word counts count.
Actually I don't that much care about page or word count except to know if it's a short, novella or book.

Amazon's page count is meaningless to the general public.
"It was always evil"? Seriously?

Right, booksellers have been using page counts since the dawn of time, and you've decided it's "evil." It's ridiculous, because the BOOKSELLER doesn't know, now, does it? Amazon doesn't KNOW the word count in a paperback. Or a hardcover. Neither does B&N, or any other bookseller, online or otherwise.

I suggest you take your suggestions to the publishers, because it is they who would have to provide this information to the bookstores, not the bookstore's job to provide it to you.

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Old 06-25-2019, 03:07 PM   #34
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And it was always evil. Only word counts count.
I really don’t think that suggesting that listing the number of pages in a book is done for malign purposes is going to persuade anyone, unless you provide some evidence to support the assertion.
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Yes, page counts can be inflated by use of large margins, font size, wide spacing, etc. and an ebook won't have the same page count as a paper version of the same book. Still, if a store says a paper version of a book is 60, 300, or 1500 pages, that gives me as a potential buyer at least a ball park idea whether it's a novella, regular novel, or the next War & Peace

Not that I would object if they also listed word counts.
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I would suggest that the reason that word count doesn't appear on Amazon (and others) is because there's no field for it on the software that produces the website.

I've been in those website design meetings. So. Many. Times.

"How about a field for word count?"
"No one would ever want that." said the committee member who'd never read a book.
"You can't add a new field now. My design would be ruined!" said the designer, clutching his pearls.
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I would suggest that the reason that word count doesn't appear on Amazon (and others) is because there's no field for it on the software that produces the website.

I've been in those website design meetings. So. Many. Times.

"How about a field for word count?"
"No one would ever want that." said the committee member who'd never read a book.
"You can't add a new field now. My design would be ruined!" said the designer, clutching his pearls.
@Skb:

For all the books from Random House, etc. how would they even know that figure? It's one thing to talk about books produced by Amazon, via the uploading of a Word file, but what about all the others? What's Random House's upside in providing that info?

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Well, I was sort of half joking (but I have been in those meetings - and the subsequent meetings to discuss how the field can be retrofitted into the coding/design. Good times).

Yes, retrospectively, it would be useless or pointless. But for new works it could be thing. Whether it's a good thing or not, I have no idea. But you can bet your boots someone suggested it, just after someone else said "what about page count?" - there followed an offtopic argument way longer than the subject warranted.

Thank goodness I'm retired. Also, Norm in Accounting is good with numbers...he could do it in his "spare time".

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Well, I was sort of half joking (but I have been in those meetings - and the subsequent meetings to discuss how the field can be retrofitted into the coding/design. Good times).

Yes, retrospectively, it would be useless or pointless. But for new works it could be thing. Whether it's a good thing or not, I have no idea. But you can bet your boots someone suggested it, just after someone else said "what about page count?" - there followed an offtopic argument way longer than the subject warranted.

Thank goodness I'm retired. Also, Norm in Accounting is good with numbers...he could do it in his "spare time".
I'll bet you're right, in the last 5-10 years. Before that...probably not so much. And yes, I nearly died laughing over "Old Norm in accounting" and his "spare time." Who here hasn't heard that one?

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