Formatting Issue - Turn Coat by Jim Butcher - Page 3

JSWolf · 04-24-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

I think there could be legitimate uses for them -- putting a blank line between sections, for example.

But using them for every paragraph is just bloody stupid. As is using this type of coding instead of a proper style sheet -- it just makes the file bigger and more complicated without any reason behind it.

Even if you had a proper style sheet, the conversion to Mobipocket is not going to keep it. It will convert it to code for every paragraph.

This is why we need to get rid of formats that lose the CSS such as Mobipocket. And since eReader doesn't even start from HTML, it may as well go too.

whitearrow · 04-25-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Even if you had a proper style sheet, the conversion to Mobipocket is not going to keep it. It will convert it to code for every paragraph.

That hasn't been my experience. When I convert using Mobipocket Creator, it keeps the style sheet in the .html file it creates exactly as it was in my original html. I tried it again just to be sure. Mobipocket Creator did not change my original style sheet at all, and the only tags around most paragraphs are <p> and </p>.

JSWolf · 04-25-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

That hasn't been my experience. When I convert using Mobipocket Creator, it keeps the style sheet in the .html file it creates exactly as it was in my original html. I tried it again just to be sure. Mobipocket Creator did not change my original style sheet at all, and the only tags around most paragraphs are <p> and </p>.

I've just taken an ePub with a proper CSS and run it through Mobigen. I then used mobi2oeb, and mobi2html to extract the HTML and the RAW HTML and I got the mess you normally get with Mobipocket's HTML. Not even close to getting the CSS back that I started with.

whitearrow · 04-25-2009, 07:32 PM

We're getting different results, then. As long as I start with html (not .doc or anything else) Mobicreator is not changing the html at all on the files I run through it.

JSWolf · 04-25-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

We're getting different results, then. As long as I start with html (not .doc or anything else) Mobicreator is not changing the html at all on the files I run through it.

Mobipocket Creator does not change the source HTML's files. What it changes is the HTML & CSS as it processes them. The internal HTML of the Mobipocket file is then a mess. So if you were to pull out the HTML from the Mobipocket file, you would no longer see your CSS and you would see each paragraph with code all over it.

Buran · 05-06-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

-- The Mercy Thompson books by Patricia Briggs -- first book, Moon Called.

Just wanted to follow up... wrapped up that library book and returned it, wrapped up another Kindle sample (a long one) that is now on the "buy at some point" list, and started on the recommended book samples I'd downloaded. The one I'm quoting above had the word "Jetta" on the first page. Turns out the protagonist is a VW mechanic, and actually used the phrase "Vee-Dub".

I just happen to also be a VW owner and enthusiast ... and I enjoyed that sample quite a lot. I think that series is on my list now.

I'll read a good book by someone who's shown proof of having a clue about VWs! And whose protagonist drives a Mk1 Golf diesel (Rabbit Diesel here in the US). Hardly fast, but a great car all the same.

I'll keep on reading all the samples, but I think that series will be the first to fall when I start paying for books.

Uriel · 05-08-2009, 03:24 PM

Interesting. I purchased this last week and have been reading it in the Kindle app on the iPhone and I don't see any of the formatting problems, just the parts where there is text repeated. I don't have an actual Kindle yet as I'm still deciding between getting the K2 now or holding out for a DX this summer.

momghoti · 05-29-2009, 05:58 PM

I've seen the several-lines-between-paragraphs in a few of the ebooks I've purchased lately. Although it's not a huge deal, it gives the wrong emotional impact--kind of like ALL CAPS or putting an exclamation point after occasional lines! Actually, I thought it was the author being melodramatic--it's better to know it's just formatting. It hadn't occurred to me to complain or try downloading it again--I'll have to try that.
Rene

JMikeD · 05-30-2009, 12:56 AM

I see the extra spaces between paragraphs on both my iTouch and Kindle. I downloaded the book the day it hit $9.99, maybe it's been fixed since then.

Mike

lilac_jive · 05-30-2009, 06:57 PM

I finally read mine a week or two ago for Sony, and aside from one or two small issues, it was very readable. No big gaps (saw a few spelling errors, and one part where part of a sentence was repeated). I bought this within the first two weeks it came out, LRX format.

VictoriaP · 05-31-2009, 03:02 AM

I just downloaded the Kindle version tonight. Over halfway through, and the only error mentioned I've seen was one duplicated line in the first paragraph of one chapter. No excess spacing, no other major errors so far. Sounds like they did at least one editing pass since this was first posted.

lilac_jive · 05-31-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VictoriaP

I just downloaded the Kindle version tonight. Over halfway through, and the only error mentioned I've seen was one duplicated line in the first paragraph of one chapter. No excess spacing, no other major errors so far. Sounds like they did at least one editing pass since this was first posted.

I think that's the same thing I saw in my Sony version.

momghoti · 06-01-2009, 04:08 PM

Mine is the in mobi format and I got it the first day it was out; I'll try downloading it again. I wish I could remember which other books I saw the extra lines in, so I could try downloading them again as well, but it's been awhile...I'm not even sure they were new releases.

momghoti · 06-04-2009, 05:58 PM

I did re-download Turn Coat and the formatting was fixed. Much nicer to read!!

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04-25-2009, 07:32 PM	#34
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	We're getting different results, then. As long as I start with html (not .doc or anything else) Mobicreator is not changing the html at all on the files I run through it.

05-08-2009, 03:24 PM	#37
Uriel Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Kindle	Interesting. I purchased this last week and have been reading it in the Kindle app on the iPhone and I don't see any of the formatting problems, just the parts where there is text repeated. I don't have an actual Kindle yet as I'm still deciding between getting the K2 now or holding out for a DX this summer.

05-29-2009, 05:58 PM	#38
momghoti Zealot Posts: 121 Karma: 1000021 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hook, UK Device: Cybook Bookeen	I've seen the several-lines-between-paragraphs in a few of the ebooks I've purchased lately. Although it's not a huge deal, it gives the wrong emotional impact--kind of like ALL CAPS or putting an exclamation point after occasional lines! Actually, I thought it was the author being melodramatic--it's better to know it's just formatting. It hadn't occurred to me to complain or try downloading it again--I'll have to try that. Rene

05-30-2009, 12:56 AM	#39
JMikeD Evangelist Posts: 473 Karma: 15000 Join Date: Jul 2008 Device: Various and sundry	I see the extra spaces between paragraphs on both my iTouch and Kindle. I downloaded the book the day it hit $9.99, maybe it's been fixed since then. Mike

05-30-2009, 06:57 PM	#40
lilac_jive Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,870 Karma: 27376 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Device: PRS-505	I finally read mine a week or two ago for Sony, and aside from one or two small issues, it was very readable. No big gaps (saw a few spelling errors, and one part where part of a sentence was repeated). I bought this within the first two weeks it came out, LRX format.

05-31-2009, 03:02 AM	#41
VictoriaP Addict Posts: 298 Karma: 491576 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle PW2; Kindle Touch; Kindle 2; iPad Mini; iPad1	I just downloaded the Kindle version tonight. Over halfway through, and the only error mentioned I've seen was one duplicated line in the first paragraph of one chapter. No excess spacing, no other major errors so far. Sounds like they did at least one editing pass since this was first posted.

06-01-2009, 04:08 PM	#43
momghoti Zealot Posts: 121 Karma: 1000021 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hook, UK Device: Cybook Bookeen	Mine is the in mobi format and I got it the first day it was out; I'll try downloading it again. I wish I could remember which other books I saw the extra lines in, so I could try downloading them again as well, but it's been awhile...I'm not even sure they were new releases.

06-04-2009, 05:58 PM	#44
momghoti Zealot Posts: 121 Karma: 1000021 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hook, UK Device: Cybook Bookeen	I did re-download Turn Coat and the formatting was fixed. Much nicer to read!!

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