04-23-2012, 11:09 AM | #1 |
Junior Member
Posts: 5
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: Kindle
|
Kindle "SE Blank Ringo" repair/hack
Hi all,
I have a Kindle Keyboard (WiFi and 3G) that's broken - it seems to think that it's a cabbage not a Kindle. I bought it this way, with a very dead battery. (3.0V) It would sit charging with the orange light on indefinitely, and reports itself to the PC as an "SE Blank Ringo" - the product description for the freescale processor used inside the Kindle. I switched this battery out for a fully charged one with the same result. No amount of resetting appears to achieve anything: Power on/off - nothing happens. Hold the slider for 5 sec - nothing happens. Hold for 12 secs or more and the orange light will go off, the device will disappear from my computer, then the light comes abck on/device reappears when you let go of the power switch. Normally when you fit a battery to a kindle, both green lights come on then it boots up. In this case, nothing. It's almost as if there is some low-level hardware functionality there, but there's no software on there. Being a curious type, I'd like to investigate. Has anybody on here come across this before? (search for ringo didn't flag anything) Any recommended reading? The device is long out of warranty. Thanks! -- Marko |
04-23-2012, 11:22 AM | #2 |
Junior Member
Posts: 5
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: Kindle
|
I think that the 12 seconds behaviour (only when connected to a charger/the PC) is some very very low level behaviour.
I have another board from a Kindle that was heavily water damaged whilst powered up and was then dried and left. Then the bare board was rinsed/scrubbed and near as dammit cremated in an attempt to dry/reflow. When you connect a battery to this board, the LEDs flash green briefly then nothing. When connected to a PC there's nothing showing either. (SE Blank Ringo or Kindle) So I assume that there's a separate power/charge supervision to the main CPU/software. |
04-23-2012, 01:54 PM | #3 |
Carpe diem, c'est la vie.
Posts: 6,433
Karma: 10773668
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Multiverse 6627A
Device: K1 to PW3
|
You are in "USB Downloader" mode. You can download a free software tool for windows, that lets you talk to it in that mode. You can download it from the Freescale website (CPU manufacturer). Search for "iMX AdvancedToolKit R170". I played with it a little, and Hawhill did too:
There are also manuals for it you should download, called "R70_ATK_UserGuide.pdf" and "R170_ATK_Std_RN.pdf", and the download filename is "FSL_ATK_TOOL_WINS_STD_INSTALL_1_70.exe". Somebody needs to spend some time with these tools and post their results here. Last edited by geekmaster; 04-23-2012 at 02:01 PM. |
04-23-2012, 02:29 PM | #4 |
Junior Member
Posts: 4
Karma: 29830
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: kindle3
|
Sorry for pinning in someones thread, but im now in quite same situation.
But is there any description on how to use AdvancedToolKit in order to repair bricked kindle 3 ? My k3 was damaged because of my fault damaging some core system files. I can now only enter "USB Downloader" mode. I have spoken with someone who said that such thing is possible. p.s-If I really have to create new thread for that extra question please let me know, and sorry again. Last edited by uriziel01; 04-23-2012 at 02:32 PM. |
04-23-2012, 02:45 PM | #5 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,379
Karma: 2155307
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Goettingen, Germany
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Mini
|
No, there are no instructions yet. I think nobody went that way before - as geekmaster already said, I was playing with it. But I haven't got far, in fact I only checked whether ATK was working in principle. I tried reading from the MMC, but failed. That was probably due to a not directly readable section on the flash memory, but I did not investigate further.
It's not for the faint at heart. In the best case, this mode can be used to flash firmware. But nobody tried yet. And it's all but sure. Maybe it could be used to stage a bootloader that brings up a system in RAM only. Again, not tried yet. |
04-23-2012, 03:00 PM | #6 |
Junior Member
Posts: 5
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: Kindle
|
Daft question - is there a way to exit the "USB Downloader" mode?
The previous owner was reading a book at the time, left the Kindle, and came back to it with a book apge stuck on and it unresponsive. Presumably all of the OS is still intact... |
04-23-2012, 03:27 PM | #7 | |
Carpe diem, c'est la vie.
Posts: 6,433
Karma: 10773668
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Multiverse 6627A
Device: K1 to PW3
|
Quote:
If it goes back to USB Downloader mode, that would indicate a problem with the firmware (or a bad mmc device). That is where it goes if it cannot find a bootloader on any of its potential boot devices (including the USB port). You can also go there with the "magic" key, which is one of the Volume control buttons, as I recall (look in the thread hawhill mentioned). |
|
04-23-2012, 03:33 PM | #8 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,379
Karma: 2155307
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Goettingen, Germany
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Mini
|
Well, that triggers another idea: Of course, the volume key (I think it was Vol-, but it might have been Vol+) might just be stuck/locked or the IO line is pulled low (just guessing here, might be high, too) by some stuck bit of aluminium foil or dust particles, fluid remains, ... - in that case, one would probably be locked to the USB downloader mode as well.
|
04-23-2012, 06:00 PM | #9 |
Junior Member
Posts: 5
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: Kindle
|
Thanks again for the tips guys, much appreciated. Thinking along these lines:
Keyboard disconnected just in case Volume buttons checked out ok (20k open resistance, they short to earth when activated) Pressed down on various ICs whilst resetting in case it was a dry joint Nothing - always this USB Downloader mode. If the previous owner was *trying* to break it, I'd assume that it was a software fault and recoverable. As this happened at random, and there are reports of "intermittent I think I'm a cabbage" Kindles on Google, I think it's just dead hardware and am going to treat it like an expensive replacement screen/spares package. I'll borrow the good screen for now and keep the spares in the drawer, just in case the serial turns up and is useful as a trade-in against a replacement at Amazon or similar - their CS rep on the telephone suggested that even if purchased secondhand and out of warranty, provided that you are the legitimate owner they'll knock something off a new one. uriziel01 - feel free to take over the thread! I'm curious, but not quite *that* curious. (and I think I'd be wasting my time if the hardware were dead) |
11-09-2012, 08:47 AM | #10 |
Connoisseur
Posts: 61
Karma: 116628
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Device: Kindle K3G and DXG
|
You might want to just over to https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=184310 and try if you can recover it using k3flasher. I have a friend with similar problem, but unfortunately we are geographically separated so I can't try it right now myself.
|
11-14-2012, 03:54 AM | #11 |
Junior Member
Posts: 5
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2012
Device: Kindle
|
Many thanks - I'll dig out the paperweight and give it a whirl!
|
11-14-2012, 03:57 AM | #12 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,379
Karma: 2155307
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Goettingen, Germany
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Mini
|
It might stumble over the battery being drained. If so, try charging it for 1-2 days (never mind the color the LED shows, if any at all).
|
12-20-2012, 05:59 PM | #13 |
Fanatic
Posts: 556
Karma: 1283268
Join Date: Mar 2010
Device: KindleDX,Kindle 4, Kindle Keyboard 3G
|
I had the "SE Blank Ringo" response when I plugged in a frozen Kindle 3 given me by a friend recently. The Kindle was frozen on the Amazon start-up screen, and wouldn't take a charge. When I plugged it in to the wall charger, the amber light would go on (or not) then turn off after a few minutes.
Finally, I opened up the Kindle 3, took out the battery, and let it sit for half and hour, then put it back in. It took several hard restarts while plugged into a wall charger, for the Kindle to get through the whole startup screen without freezing. Finally it started, and I saw that 3G was turned on. It was as though it was trying to charge, but the active modem was eating the charge as soon as it applied. Finally, after several freezes, I got in quickly enough to turn off wireless connectivity, then the Kindle charged normally and works fine. (I did find one book trying unsuccessfully to index, which I deleted). I think the message here might be: "Never turn on wireless when your battery is low." |
12-20-2012, 06:19 PM | #14 |
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°){ʇlnɐɟ ƃǝs}Týr
Posts: 6,586
Karma: 6299991
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: uti gratia usura (Yao ying da ying; Mo ying da yieng)
Device: PW-WIFI|K5-3G+WIFI| K4|K3-3G|DXG|K2| Rooted Nook Touch
|
and remember that off is not truly off
a bad book or other bit of garbage code churning away every wakeup is never a good thing. A full 20s reset never hurts if only it will swallow it. Good points thanks for sharing. |
12-20-2012, 09:39 PM | #15 | |
Going Viral
Posts: 17,212
Karma: 18210809
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Central Texas
Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA
|
Quote:
You have 1,500MaH in the K3. Simple math = If the Kindle is trying to call home over 3G on a low battery, things will go to he.. in a hurry. I.E: Same conclusion as yours, just different words. |
|
Tags |
blank, ringo |
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Kindle 3 "Special offers" edition Screensaver hack help | Aarony | Amazon Kindle | 68 | 10-27-2012 02:00 PM |
Feature Request: configurable space setting for "Insert blank line" in "Look & Feel" | therealjoeblow | Calibre | 15 | 07-25-2011 03:14 PM |
"USB Memory Stick Blank or using unsupported filesystem" | P.J. | enTourage Archive | 6 | 04-07-2010 11:28 AM |