Readers with page numbers?

ShadowAuthor · 01-10-2010, 05:00 PM

Hey,

I have a K2 that has been awesome so far except for the lack of page number display. One of the reasons I decided to get an e-reader in the first place was for reference purposes while writing papers. It's not a deal-breaker, but not having page numbers just seems like a no-brainer that I can't believe they overlooked.

The good news is that my wife now wants her own K2, and I was thinking I could give her this one and I could get a different e-reader. So my question is, are there any US e-readers on the market that display the page number as you're reading?

Thanks!

lilac_jive · 01-10-2010, 05:05 PM

The Sony's do, and with the new ePub format the page number doesn't change when you zoom (which actually drives me nuts, but sounds like it would be helpful for you).

I'm not sure about the others. Hopefully some other members will chime in.

omk3 · 01-10-2010, 07:02 PM

I think the lack of page numbers has to do with the ebook format. Mobipocket books, like those read by the kindle, don't have page numbers. Probably most of the other formats do. Certainly epub ebooks do (and pdf and lrf), so any reader supporting epub would be fine.

HarryT · 01-11-2010, 04:10 AM

The benefit of ePub page numbers, as displayed by devices using the Adobe Digital Editions software, is that they are consistent across devices, and don't change with the user's choice of font, text size, etc.

HarryT · 01-11-2010, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omk3

I think the lack of page numbers has to do with the ebook format. Mobipocket books, like those read by the kindle, don't have page numbers.

That's a feature of the Kindle; most implementations of the Mobi reader do have page numbers.

Sweetpea · 01-11-2010, 07:19 AM

I don't like page numbers in an ereader, unless it's to show relative position in a book. Those page numbers on epub books on my Mini are highly annoying and one of the reasons I don't use epub.

Especially as a page number can span several "pages", depending on the size of your reader and fonts.

kennyc · 01-11-2010, 07:35 AM

But keep in mind the page numbers in epub, while consistent for all devices, etc. Are different than the page numbers in the paper book (which also vary depending on the version and edition etc.).

omk3 · 01-11-2010, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

That's a feature of the Kindle; most implementations of the Mobi reader do have page numbers.

Well, I only know about the Cybook Gen3 (mobipocket firmware) really, and it doesn't show any page numbers either.

Sweetpea · 01-11-2010, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omk3

Well, I only know about the Cybook Gen3 (mobipocket firmware) really, and it doesn't show any page numbers either.

My Mini does show page numbers in mobipocket books.

ShadowAuthor · 01-12-2010, 04:54 PM

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry, I'm taking a 3-week winter intercession class in Japanese and it is kicking my backside hardcore.

So basically from what I'm hearing, is that e-readers are all but useless in an academic environment when attempting to use for reference material in a bibliography. Just ducky.

HarryT · 01-13-2010, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAuthor

So basically from what I'm hearing, is that e-readers are all but useless in an academic environment when attempting to use for reference material in a bibliography. Just ducky.

Why do you say that?

kennyc · 01-13-2010, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Why do you say that?

Yeah, it shouldn't be any different than print. You still have to specify the version/edition/etc. in a bibliography.

ShadowAuthor · 01-13-2010, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

Yeah, it shouldn't be any different than print. You still have to specify the version/edition/etc. in a bibliography.

Good point, I forgot about that. This class is puréeing my brain.

But the Kindle would still be a problem in that even if I specify the version, I can't give a page number per se, correct?

HarryT · 01-14-2010, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAuthor

Good point, I forgot about that. This class is puréeing my brain.

But the Kindle would still be a problem in that even if I specify the version, I can't give a page number per se, correct?

The Kindle shows a "Location" on the status bar. This is equivalent to a page number - it's actually a count of 128-character units in the book.

RedHeadPeter · 01-15-2010, 06:23 AM

I would be surprised if any of the academic referencing systems (Harvard etc) have caught up with e-readers yet. The standard format is author, title, page number, publisher etc etc. So knowing the page number on which another person can find that information is important. If it comes out as a different page number, or non-existent, on different formats and different readers you have a problem.
Actually I think e-readers are useless for academic research - you need to flick backwards and forwards between text, index, notes all the time in ways which are easy with the physical book or journal but clumsy on current e-readers (at least on my Bebook)

01-10-2010, 05:00 PM	#1
ShadowAuthor Enthusiast Posts: 27 Karma: 384 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Upstate NY Device: Kindle 2 & iPhone	Readers with page numbers? Hey, I have a K2 that has been awesome so far except for the lack of page number display. One of the reasons I decided to get an e-reader in the first place was for reference purposes while writing papers. It's not a deal-breaker, but not having page numbers just seems like a no-brainer that I can't believe they overlooked. The good news is that my wife now wants her own K2, and I was thinking I could give her this one and I could get a different e-reader. So my question is, are there any US e-readers on the market that display the page number as you're reading? Thanks!

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01-10-2010, 05:05 PM	#2
lilac_jive Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,870 Karma: 27376 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Device: PRS-505	The Sony's do, and with the new ePub format the page number doesn't change when you zoom (which actually drives me nuts, but sounds like it would be helpful for you). I'm not sure about the others. Hopefully some other members will chime in.

01-10-2010, 07:02 PM	#3
omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	I think the lack of page numbers has to do with the ebook format. Mobipocket books, like those read by the kindle, don't have page numbers. Probably most of the other formats do. Certainly epub ebooks do (and pdf and lrf), so any reader supporting epub would be fine.

01-11-2010, 04:10 AM	#4
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	The benefit of ePub page numbers, as displayed by devices using the Adobe Digital Editions software, is that they are consistent across devices, and don't change with the user's choice of font, text size, etc.

01-11-2010, 07:19 AM	#6
Sweetpea Grand Sorcerer Posts: 9,707 Karma: 32763414 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Krewerd Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6	I don't like page numbers in an ereader, unless it's to show relative position in a book. Those page numbers on epub books on my Mini are highly annoying and one of the reasons I don't use epub. Especially as a page number can span several "pages", depending on the size of your reader and fonts.

01-11-2010, 07:35 AM	#7
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	But keep in mind the page numbers in epub, while consistent for all devices, etc. Are different than the page numbers in the paper book (which also vary depending on the version and edition etc.).

01-12-2010, 04:54 PM	#10
ShadowAuthor Enthusiast Posts: 27 Karma: 384 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Upstate NY Device: Kindle 2 & iPhone	Thanks for all the replies. Sorry, I'm taking a 3-week winter intercession class in Japanese and it is kicking my backside hardcore. So basically from what I'm hearing, is that e-readers are all but useless in an academic environment when attempting to use for reference material in a bibliography. Just ducky.

01-15-2010, 06:23 AM	#15
RedHeadPeter Enthusiast Posts: 30 Karma: 294 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: London, England Device: Bebook	I would be surprised if any of the academic referencing systems (Harvard etc) have caught up with e-readers yet. The standard format is author, title, page number, publisher etc etc. So knowing the page number on which another person can find that information is important. If it comes out as a different page number, or non-existent, on different formats and different readers you have a problem. Actually I think e-readers are useless for academic research - you need to flick backwards and forwards between text, index, notes all the time in ways which are easy with the physical book or journal but clumsy on current e-readers (at least on my Bebook)

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