New format? (OEB)

Tscherno · 07-20-2006, 02:10 AM

Just stumbled over
http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad/specs
Which says:

Content formats supported

PDF
XHTML
TXT
APABI (China only)
OEB*
MP3*
Optional: Customization to support customer specific content format

This is new, isn't it?

vvoi666 · 07-20-2006, 02:40 AM

quite new ... i think they added it a few weeks back.
supporting as much open standards as possible can never be a bad thing.
i haven't really gotten around to look into oeb but it sounds promising.

Tscherno · 07-20-2006, 02:54 AM

It's surely nice to have - but would is really missing is a popular DRM-supporting format for commercial E-Books.

DHer · 07-20-2006, 03:41 AM

check out: http://www.idpf.org/specs.htm

i think the open eBook standard is quite cool.

(way better then xeb, not as proprietary as pdf, especially designed for ebooks unlike html)

VillageReader · 07-20-2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tscherno

It's surely nice to have - but would is really missing is a popular DRM-supporting format for commercial E-Books.

Yeah, and I was wandering around the site yesterday and they have removed all references they recently had to DRM, soon or ever. That would be a problem for me. Now considering cancelling.

tribble · 07-20-2006, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillageReader

Yeah, and I was wandering around the site yesterday and they have removed all references they recently had to DRM, soon or ever. That would be a problem for me. Now considering cancelling.

Thats another reason to hate DRM. You just cant read your stuff anywhere you want. I think i would prefer to have open ebooks. There is more honest people out there, than all the lobbys want us to believe.

Tscherno · 07-20-2006, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

Thats another reason to hate DRM. You just cant read your stuff anywhere you want. I think i would prefer to have open ebooks. There is more honest people out there, than all the lobbys want us to believe.

Sure - everyone wants control the content he bought. But you have to dance after their whistle - they only sell DRMed content. For Music i will never accept this. For books i do (if the price-tag fits).
But if i cant read them or at least convert them (which is not allowed), i have to stay on content sources which deliver DRM-free PDFs of all actual Bestsellers...

arivero · 07-20-2006, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

Thats another reason to hate DRM. You just cant read your stuff anywhere you want. I think i would prefer to have open ebooks. There is more honest people out there, than all the lobbys want us to believe.

Also it delays development. I have a Toshiba/Panasonic double screen ebook, only for museum purposes, because I have never got a clear way to upload content into the SD card.

tribble · 07-20-2006, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tscherno

But if i cant read them or at least convert them (which is not allowed), i have to stay on content sources which deliver DRM-free PDFs of all actual Bestsellers...

I know. I rather buy the pbook and read it as an ebook. Makes me feel good, because i have what i want, and author and publisher get what they want. (and looks nice in the bookshelf aswell

)

Tscherno · 07-20-2006, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

I know. I rather buy the pbook and read it as an ebook. Makes me feel good, because i have what i want, and author and publisher get what they want. (and looks nice in the bookshelf aswell

)

That's my main reason for e-books: My bookshelf is full...

DHer · 07-20-2006, 06:56 AM

So you think you are on the morally clear side if buy the pbook and get the ebook from another source. And even if it's morally right, what does the law say about it?

I would love a personal serial number in every pbook which allows you to download the ebook version (watermarked so they can backtrack it to your account if it shows up in the wrong places, but without DRM)

Unless the ebook market is about to explode, they might as well follow baen and enjoy the free publicity.

deadite66 · 07-20-2006, 09:40 AM

as someone said before buy .lit ebooks and use the convertlit app

NatCh · 07-20-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHer

So you think you are on the morally clear side if buy the pbook and get the ebook from another source. And even if it's morally right, what does the law say about it?

I think it falls under "fair use" -- if you're not selling it, or otherwise distributing it, you can make copies. The thing about DRM is that it tends to artificially limit that "fair use."

I'm not saying that there is a law that says "if you buy the book and convert it to an e-text, exclusively for your own use you're legally in the clear," but I'm pretty sure that it would get tossed out of court if they tried to prosecute something like that.

Judge: So they defendant purchased the text for the going market rate?
Prosecuter: Yes, Your Honor.
Judge: And he made an electronic copy?
Prosecuter: Yes, Your Honor.
Judge: Did he sell this electronic copy?
Prosecuter: No, Your Honor.
Judge: Did he give this electronic copy to anyone else?
Prosecuter: No, Your Honor.
Judge: What did he do with this electronic copy then?
Prosecuter: He read it, Your Honor.
Judge: He read it?
Prosecuter: Yes, Your Honor.
Judge: That's all?
Prosecuter: That's all, Your Honor.
Judge: So ... he bought a book, paid full price for it, and read it.
Prosecuter: Yes, Your Honor.

Just imagine what Judge Judy would would say to that?

deadite66 · 07-20-2006, 10:43 AM

you could use the Chewbacca_Defense

NatCh · 07-20-2006, 10:50 AM

I think it'd be more of a Chewbacca Prosecution

Oh, wait, I see what you're saying -- Yes, yes they could use the Chewbacca Defense.

It'd make better sense.

07-20-2006, 02:10 AM	#1
Tscherno iLiad Geek Posts: 110 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Regensburg / Germany Device: iLiad #505; Sony T1, Amazon Paperwhite first Gen & sec is coming!	New format? (OEB) Just stumbled over http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad/specs Which says: Content formats supported PDF XHTML TXT APABI (China only) OEB* MP3* Optional: Customization to support customer specific content format This is new, isn't it?

07-20-2006, 10:50 AM	#15
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I think it'd be more of a Chewbacca Prosecution Oh, wait, I see what you're saying -- Yes, yes they could use the Chewbacca Defense. It'd make better sense. Last edited by NatCh; 07-20-2006 at 10:53 AM.

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07-20-2006, 02:40 AM	#2
vvoi666 Zealot Posts: 100 Karma: 29 Join Date: May 2006	quite new ... i think they added it a few weeks back. supporting as much open standards as possible can never be a bad thing. i haven't really gotten around to look into oeb but it sounds promising.

07-20-2006, 02:54 AM	#3
Tscherno iLiad Geek Posts: 110 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Regensburg / Germany Device: iLiad #505; Sony T1, Amazon Paperwhite first Gen & sec is coming!	It's surely nice to have - but would is really missing is a popular DRM-supporting format for commercial E-Books.

07-20-2006, 03:41 AM	#4
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	check out: http://www.idpf.org/specs.htm i think the open eBook standard is quite cool. (way better then xeb, not as proprietary as pdf, especially designed for ebooks unlike html)

07-20-2006, 06:56 AM	#11
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	So you think you are on the morally clear side if buy the pbook and get the ebook from another source. And even if it's morally right, what does the law say about it? I would love a personal serial number in every pbook which allows you to download the ebook version (watermarked so they can backtrack it to your account if it shows up in the wrong places, but without DRM) Unless the ebook market is about to explode, they might as well follow baen and enjoy the free publicity.

07-20-2006, 09:40 AM	#12
deadite66 Groupie Posts: 197 Karma: 16 Join Date: Apr 2006 Device: irex iliad, uk Kindle gen3	as someone said before buy .lit ebooks and use the convertlit app

07-20-2006, 10:43 AM	#14
deadite66 Groupie Posts: 197 Karma: 16 Join Date: Apr 2006 Device: irex iliad, uk Kindle gen3	you could use the Chewbacca_Defense

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