Sigil issue or iBooks issue?

Tisha4870 · 02-25-2014, 04:24 PM

This is probably iBooks but I've never had this problem before:

I imported an HTML Word file into Sigil and after getting rid of all the extraneous coding, splitting my chapters up, making everything look nice and pretty and organizing my files in order, once I opened it in iBooks, it doesn't open at the titlepage but 3 sections past to the dedication. I checked all the coding and there are no strange links that would cause that and I've never had an issue with this happening in any of my purchased books from iTunes, just this one file.

Any ideas or suggestions?

bfollowell · 02-25-2014, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tisha4870

This is probably iBooks but I've never had this problem before:

I imported an HTML Word file into Sigil and after getting rid of all the extraneous coding, splitting my chapters up, making everything look nice and pretty and organizing my files in order, once I opened it in iBooks, it doesn't open at the titlepage but 3 sections past to the dedication. I checked all the coding and there are no strange links that would cause that and I've never had an issue with this happening in any of my purchased books from iTunes, just this one file.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Could you post your opf file? A simple copy/paste would do. I would suspect the issue lies there.

Tisha4870 · 02-28-2014, 08:59 AM

Here you go:

Spoiler:

bfollowell · 02-28-2014, 01:16 PM

Well, I really don't see anything that seems like it should make any difference. However, I have noticed that, for most readers, the semantics that you can add for most html files within the epub, rarely serve any purpose and can on rare occasion cause problems. The only semantics I've seen that are in any way useful are cover and toc.

Just to rule it out, remove line 87 of your opf, the one that references dedication.html as the dedication page. After removing this line, save your epub and try again and see if anything changes and let us know.

- Byron

adv_dp_fan · 02-28-2014, 02:30 PM

iBooks will open to what it finds as the first "text" page unless directed otherwise so it opens to the Dedication as that is what it believes is the first. You can change it by using the type="other.reader-start-page" option in the guide section. Though I believe that is specific to iBooks. So if you want iBooks to open on the cover you could change the cover type.

eschwartz · 02-28-2014, 03:45 PM

@bfollowell

One more semantic that is useful is type="Text", it tells the Kindle where to start when first opening the book.

bfollowell · 03-03-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

@bfollowell

One more semantic that is useful is type="Text", it tells the Kindle where to start when first opening the book.

Yes, this is true, but, since Sigil is an epub editior, and not a mobi editor, I forgot about that. I used to use that one quite a bit too when I had a K3 and I used Sigil for editing before converting to mobi.

Hitch · 03-06-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bfollowell

Yes, this is true, but, since Sigil is an epub editior, and not a mobi editor, I forgot about that. I used to use that one quite a bit too when I had a K3 and I used Sigil for editing before converting to mobi.

Well, as "text" is actually the ePUB attribute for "start reading here," adopted by MOBI in lieu of the "start," anchor/bookmark, it may solve your page-opening issue as well. Can you try it and let us know if it solves your problem?

Hitch

bfollowell · 03-06-2014, 03:23 PM

Thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy Hitch. That's what I was planning to eventually get at after looking at the OP's opf file. However, changing this seemed to make no difference whatsoever in any of my epubs when looking at them with ADE, so I didn't suggest it. I thought maybe that I'd dreamed that. Obviously I didn't, though I'm still not sure why ADE doesn't recognize this tag.

eschwartz · 03-06-2014, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfollowell

Thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy Hitch. That's what I was planning to eventually get at after looking at the OP's opf file. However, changing this seemed to make no difference whatsoever in any of my epubs when looking at them with ADE, so I didn't suggest it. I thought maybe that I'd dreamed that. Obviously I didn't, though I'm still not sure why ADE doesn't recognize this tag.

Because the dream of the EPUB standard is a myth, and every vendor basically supports what they feel like supporting?

Hitch · 03-06-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Because the dream of the EPUB standard is a myth, and every vendor basically supports what they feel like supporting?

+1,000

Hitch

Toxaris · 03-07-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Because the dream of the EPUB standard is a myth, and every vendor basically supports what they feel like supporting?

The standard is not a myth, but it is manhandled by the different vendors. Some more than others...

mrmikel · 03-07-2014, 09:28 AM

So that makes it an unobserved standard, or sub-standard standard?

PeterT · 03-07-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmikel

So that makes it an unobserved standard, or sub-standard standard?

No... Just a typical standard.

theducks · 03-07-2014, 11:19 AM

Usually standards are a super-set because the Standard did not support 'x'

IEEE488=>HPIB (in this case, the standard, was made AFTERWARDS)
How many extensions of BASIC were there? Pascal? Fortran? (those I have used)

'EPUB' versions seem to leave out big chunks or fail to do them properly.
Some you might blame on being part of the first generation e-books. But by EPUB2, those should have dwindled to a tiny-tiny list.
not so

02-25-2014, 04:24 PM	#1
Tisha4870 Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2014 Device: iPhone 5S, iPad Air	Sigil issue or iBooks issue? This is probably iBooks but I've never had this problem before: I imported an HTML Word file into Sigil and after getting rid of all the extraneous coding, splitting my chapters up, making everything look nice and pretty and organizing my files in order, once I opened it in iBooks, it doesn't open at the titlepage but 3 sections past to the dedication. I checked all the coding and there are no strange links that would cause that and I've never had an issue with this happening in any of my purchased books from iTunes, just this one file. Any ideas or suggestions?

02-28-2014, 08:59 AM	#3
Tisha4870 Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2014 Device: iPhone 5S, iPad Air	Here you go: Spoiler: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?> <package xmlns="http://www.idpf.org/2007/opf" unique-identifier="uuid_id" version="2.0"> <metadata xmlns:calibre="http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/2009/metadata" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlnspf="http://www.idpf.org/2007/opf" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"> <dc:identifier id="uuid_id" opf:scheme="uuid">869ee44d-ed17-4f0a-b8ea-0e63c1ad20ae</dc:identifier> <dc:language>en</dc:language> <dc:date opf:event="modification">2014-02-28</dc:date> <meta content="2014-02-24T01:17:18.252466+00:00" name="calibre:timestamp" /> <meta name="cover" content="cover.jpg" /> <meta content="0.7.4" name="Sigil version" /> </metadata> <manifest> <item href="Styles/page_styles.css" id="page_css" media-type="text/css" /> <item href="Styles/stylesheet.css" id="css" media-type="text/css" /> <item href="toc.ncx" id="ncx" media-type="application/x-dtbncx+xml" /> <item href="Text/cover.html" id="cover.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Images/cover.jpg" id="cover.jpg" media-type="image/jpeg" /> <item href="Text/reviews.html" id="reviews.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/booklist.html" id="booklist.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/copyright.html" id="copyright.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/dedication.html" id="dedication.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter1.html" id="chapter1.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter2.html" id="chapter2.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter3.html" id="chapter3.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter4.html" id="chapter4.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter5.html" id="chapter5.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter6.html" id="chapter6.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter7.html" id="chapter7.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter8.html" id="chapter8.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter9.html" id="chapter9.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter10.html" id="chapter10.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter11.html" id="chapter11.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter12.html" id="chapter12.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter13.html" id="chapter13.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter14.html" id="chapter14.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter15.html" id="chapter15.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter16.html" id="chapter16.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter17.html" id="chapter17.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter18.html" id="chapter18.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter19.html" id="chapter19.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter20.html" id="chapter20.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter21.html" id="chapter21.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter22.html" id="chapter22.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter23.html" id="chapter23.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter24.html" id="chapter24.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter25.html" id="chapter25.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter26.html" id="chapter26.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Text/chapter27.html" id="chapter27.html" media-type="application/xhtml+xml" /> <item href="Images/divider.jpg" id="divider.jpg" media-type="image/jpeg" /> </manifest> <spine toc="ncx"> <itemref idref="cover.html" /> <itemref idref="copyright.html" /> <itemref idref="dedication.html" /> <itemref idref="reviews.html" /> <itemref idref="booklist.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter1.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter2.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter3.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter4.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter5.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter6.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter7.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter8.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter9.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter10.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter11.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter12.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter13.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter14.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter15.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter16.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter17.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter18.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter19.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter20.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter21.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter22.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter23.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter24.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter25.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter26.html" /> <itemref idref="chapter27.html" /> </spine> <guide> <reference href="Text/cover.html" title="Cover" type="cover" /> <reference href="Text/copyright.html" title="Copyright Page" type="copyright-page" /> <reference href="Text/dedication.html" title="Dedication" type="dedication" /> </guide> </package> Last edited by theducks; 02-28-2014 at 11:36 AM. Reason: Wrapped long paste in Spoiler

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02-28-2014, 01:16 PM	#4
bfollowell Fanatic Posts: 541 Karma: 1152752 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Evansville, IN, USA Device: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Nook & Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5	Well, I really don't see anything that seems like it should make any difference. However, I have noticed that, for most readers, the semantics that you can add for most html files within the epub, rarely serve any purpose and can on rare occasion cause problems. The only semantics I've seen that are in any way useful are cover and toc. Just to rule it out, remove line 87 of your opf, the one that references dedication.html as the dedication page. After removing this line, save your epub and try again and see if anything changes and let us know. - Byron

02-28-2014, 02:30 PM	#5
adv_dp_fan Zealot Posts: 103 Karma: 57138 Join Date: May 2010 Device: Sony 505, iPad 1 & 3, Galaxy Note 8.1	iBooks will open to what it finds as the first "text" page unless directed otherwise so it opens to the Dedication as that is what it believes is the first. You can change it by using the type="other.reader-start-page" option in the guide section. Though I believe that is specific to iBooks. So if you want iBooks to open on the cover you could change the cover type.

02-28-2014, 03:45 PM	#6
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85397180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	@bfollowell One more semantic that is useful is type="Text", it tells the Kindle where to start when first opening the book.

03-06-2014, 03:23 PM	#9
bfollowell Fanatic Posts: 541 Karma: 1152752 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Evansville, IN, USA Device: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Nook & Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5	Thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy Hitch. That's what I was planning to eventually get at after looking at the OP's opf file. However, changing this seemed to make no difference whatsoever in any of my epubs when looking at them with ADE, so I didn't suggest it. I thought maybe that I'd dreamed that. Obviously I didn't, though I'm still not sure why ADE doesn't recognize this tag.

03-07-2014, 09:28 AM	#13
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	So that makes it an unobserved standard, or sub-standard standard?

03-07-2014, 11:19 AM	#15
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,832 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Usually standards are a super-set because the Standard did not support 'x' IEEE488=>HPIB (in this case, the standard, was made AFTERWARDS) How many extensions of BASIC were there? Pascal? Fortran? (those I have used) 'EPUB' versions seem to leave out big chunks or fail to do them properly. Some you might blame on being part of the first generation e-books. But by EPUB2, those should have dwindled to a tiny-tiny list. not so

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