01-28-2018, 05:12 AM | #31 |
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I've been an Apple fan boy for a long time. All our devices are Apple. I've never owned a PC. However, I have never bought into Apple content. Music, no, it's compressed. Books, no, too much trouble and I like eink. Movies, no, I quit redeeming digital movies to iTunes and now redeem via Vudu. Just an all around no on Apple for content.
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01-28-2018, 05:21 AM | #32 |
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I will never ever spend money on eBooks or anything to do with eBooks from Apple. And please, don't spend any eBook money with Apple. Apple helped bring Agency pricing into being and we lost a lot of really good small independent eBook shops because of that. Apple needs to go down in flames and not be able to sell any sort of digital book be it an eBook or an app based in a book. I'll go so far as to say no audiobooks and no movies based on a book. Apple should not be allowed to have anything to do with books. And that also means iBooks & Pages go and so does this new book app.
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I think people can make too big a deal out of this. I certainly can't detect any difference between a 320k MP3 file (the bit rate that Apple use) and the uncompressed original, even on my very, very good HiFi system. I doubt that human hearing is capable is detecting such differences.
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01-28-2018, 08:39 AM | #37 |
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https://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html is primarily about 24/192 but discusses 24-bits in a vacuum further down the page.
http://drewdaniels.com/audible.pdf is the best-designed real-world test I've seen of 16/44.1khz vs high-resolution music. There's a transitivity issue here, but it's a starting point. |
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I once played a fun game with my wife: I burned CDs with the identical music, one sourced from 320k mp3 files, the other lossless. Then we did double blind tests on each other on our pretty good stereo. Neither of us managed to identify the mp3s.
And yet: I listen to lossless only, because listening to mp3s gives me a headache after a while. I guess supplying all that missing sound puts stress on the brain. |
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That xiph.org post is a load of crap. It doesn't say anything useful. It doesn't say anything about how the music sounds with more bits and the cutoff point being that close to 20kHz. It's not about what you cannot hear, it's about making what you can hear sound better. That post is pulled out whenever someone is trying to say that 16/44.1 is all we need.
As for the blind test, this is what stands out... Quote:
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Which shows that (unsurprisingly) multi-channel sound sounds better than stereo, a fact that will be self-evident to anyone who has a "surround sound" system on their TV at home. That, though, is not what we were discussing. We were asking whether there is any perceptible difference between compressed and uncompressed music, to which the answer (for many of us, at least), is "no, provided the bit-rate is sufficient".
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As I said previously, Jon, I enjoy listening to classical music (opera in particular), and I have a pretty decent Hi-Fi system. I'm unable to detect the slightest difference between my original CDs, and those same CDs converted to 320kb MP3 files, and that's all that matters to me.
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128k MP3 out of an Echo Dot is music to monkey's ears
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