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[Jellby]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

no, i'm talking about a pop-up window which is mobile and not docked in the tab bar ; i can slide it around, however i cannot slide it out of the viewport. i just tried to right click on the title bar, nothing happened. i can take a screen shot if you don't know what i mean. it's a pop-up window which is opened when you click on the "new window" button in the gmail interface.

In Opera (I don't know about other browsers) you can have non-maximized tabs, just right-click on any tab button and select "Restore", it is now a window like you describe, you can move it around but it remains confined in the main Opera workspace. Likewise, you can then right-click on the title bar of this window and select "Maximize". But there is still a button representing this tab/window in the tab bar, or at least I get it.

The first image shows my normal setup, I clicked on the green link ("new window") and the "window" marked in blue appeared, which is represented by the button marked in red in the tab bar. You can see how this window disappears behind the right bar, where I have some search boxes and blurred out links. (Ignore the "djelibeibi" thing on the bottom right corner, it's just another always-on-top app.)

The second image is just after I right-clicked on the tab button and selected "detach" (and then resized and moved the now desktop-level Opera window). Note that now the new window is a full Opera one, with button bar, tab bar, etc., but it's only limited by the desktop.

For the third image I checked the "Open windows instead of tabs" option in the preferences, as I said, and clicked again on the "new window" link. Now the new window does not have the button bars, but again is not limited by the parent Opera window.

Isn't this what you meant?

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Wetdogeared

I've been trying to move the portable version from the flash drive to a folder on my hard drive, but I can find hide nor hair of any mention of firefox on the flash drive. I just click on a new little launchpad icon and select firefox. Try to look in USB drive for firefox using Windows Explore to, at the minimum, put a shortcut onto my desktop but can't find anything.

that's... odd. are you using some sort of launching app / dock / etc. ? if yes it might have its own file structure, i suppose... but you should still be able to find the app. if you can't, just download it again to your hard drive.

I'm not sure If I can download the portable version and run from hard drive. Vista gave me big error that program must be run from USB.

hoo boy, ie AND vista ! no wonder there is weird stuff happening to you. seriously though, i don't know why vista would give you that error, a portable app can be run from anywhere, including a hard drive, that's the beauty of it. there may be some strange thing in vista that i don't know about but even there i can't imagine why it wouldn't work.

Anyway, it's fun lookin at all these new screens.

yep, it's fun to discover new ways to do things ! and firefox has a lot of fun features. you should take a look at this thread : Firefox 3 and extensions you can't live without. you might find some tempting ones.

[Wetdogeared]

Originally Posted by Over

It works fine in IE6 and IE7. Maybe it's something not directly related to the browser?

BTW, I love IE7. Stop hurting my feelings, people!

Over, you using XP or Vista or what??

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Over

BTW, I love IE7. Stop hurting my feelings, people!

course you can only say that if you have tried to use FireFox. Give it a week.

BOb

[Over]

Originally Posted by Wetdogeared

Over, you using XP or Vista or what??

IE6 in XP and IE7 in Vista.

Originally Posted by pilotbob

course you can only say that if you have tried to use FireFox. Give it a week.

BOb

A few months ago, when Mozilla released Firefox 3, I've tried it. But ended up uninstalling it. IE7 runs slickier, faster in my system. That, and the fact that Firefox doesn't display 100% correctly many sites that were created with only IE in mind.

Maybe it's a matter of habit, but if I have no complains, no need to change.

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Jellby

In Opera (I don't know about other browsers) you can have non-maximized tabs, just right-click on any tab button and select "Restore", it is now a window like you describe, you can move it around but it remains confined in the main Opera workspace. Likewise, you can then right-click on the title bar of this window and select "Maximize". But there is still a button representing this tab/window in the tab bar, or at least I get it.

yes,i see the tab for the pop-up.

The first image shows my normal setup, I clicked on the green link ("new window") and the "window" marked in blue appeared, which is represented by the button marked in red in the tab bar. You can see how this window disappears behind the right bar, where I have some search boxes and blurred out links. (Ignore the "djelibeibi" thing on the bottom right corner, it's just another always-on-top app.)

right, THAT is exactly the behavior i am talking about.

The second image is just after I right-clicked on the tab button and selected "detach" (and then resized and moved the now desktop-level Opera window). Note that now the new window is a full Opera one, with button bar, tab bar, etc., but it's only limited by the desktop.

hm. i don't have this "detach" option. i even just updated to be sure i had the latest version (now using Opera v.9.63). is this a plug-in or a basic function ? my opera is in french but there is nothing in the context menu of a tab that looks like "detach", and i tried some of the more ambiguous options just in case but no joy.

For the third image I checked the "Open windows instead of tabs" option in the preferences, as I said, and clicked again on the "new window" link. Now the new window does not have the button bars, but again is not limited by the parent Opera window.

this is what i would *like* to do ; but i cannot seem to manage it.

Isn't this what you meant?

yes, exactly...

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I don't think you can do that with the U3 version. U3 apps basically "install" on the USB drive. It has it's own little mirror of various windows system folders. I think there is also a registry re director.

I agree... just install it properly on the PC and don't make it the default browser. It will not conflict with the OS or IE in any way.

BOb

ah okay, i don't what U3 is, i was thinking of just standard portable apps : http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable i haven't used it recently (no need) but in the past, portable apps were stand-alone exes which did not install anywhere or use a launcher / dock, and could be placed and executed on any kind of drive (hard drive, usb drive, etc.). this is what i was thinking of.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

hm. i don't have this "detach" option. i even just updated to be sure i had the latest version (now using Opera v.9.63). is this a plug-in or a basic function ? my opera is in french but there is nothing in the context menu of a tab that looks like "detach", and i tried some of the more ambiguous options just in case but no joy.

I'm using Opera 9.60, but I think it's been around for a long time (it's just before "Customize" for me, second to last)...

Maybe this helps: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/index.dml/tag/Window

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

ah okay, i don't what U3 is, i was thinking of just standard portable apps : http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable i haven't used it recently (no need) but in the past, portable apps were stand-alone exes which did not install anywhere or use a launcher / dock, and could be placed and executed on any kind of drive (hard drive, usb drive, etc.). this is what i was thinking of.

U3 is something along the same lines as portable apps. I've gone for portable apps on my USB stick because one of my preferred anti-malware is available for that but not U3.

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Jellby

I'm using Opera 9.60, but I think it's been around for a long time (it's just before "Customize" for me, second to last)...

Maybe this helps: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/index.dml/tag/Window

thanks for that link, i think i know what's wrong now : i don't have "detach" in the menu, and following this link http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/edit-menu-setup if i want it i have to edit the .ini configuration file (i didn't bother to pursue it for the moment, it's getting quite late. ). i think i remember you mention you are on linux, it's possible it's a standard option there, judging by the edit they propose.

i did find another way to get the window out : you can drag the tab into the title bar, this gives you a new opera window with the popup floating inside it, and if you maximise the popup it fills up that window. i suppose this is a reasonable compromise.

nonetheless, it's really annoying that you have to go through so much trouble for this and it seems like really poor ergonomy : logically, if i click "open new window" it must be because i want a new window. what is the point of opening a new window which is stuck inside the current viewport ??? i don't understand why opera made this the default behavior, and makes the process for getting an actual new window so convoluted.

thanks for the explanation though, i'm glad that at least now i know how to do it, even it took me many posts, three screenshots, and an opera "how to" site.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

nonetheless, it's really annoying that you have to go through so much trouble for this and it seems like really poor ergonomy : logically, if i click "open new window" it must be because i want a new window.

But if you click "open in new window" in Opera's context menus, you get a new window. The "trouble" is that a link in Gmail is named "new window" and it's not guaranteed to be really a new window in all browsers. They probably use some javascript which is interpreted differently on different browsers.

I guess you can always try the second option I gave: setting the tabs to "open windows instead of tabs", then you'd probably have to use the context menu if you want a tab instead of a window...

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Jellby

But if you click "open in new window" in Opera's context menus, you get a new window. The "trouble" is that a link in Gmail is named "new window" and it's not guaranteed to be really a new window in all browsers. They probably use some javascript which is interpreted differently on different browsers.

I guess you can always try the second option I gave: setting the tabs to "open windows instead of tabs", then you'd probably have to use the context menu if you want a tab instead of a window...

hmph, i suppose, but opera seems to be the *only* browser interpreting this code differently... and browsers interpreting code in unexpected ways that are different from all other browsers is the reason webdesigners spend so much time cursing. and i still can't imagine under what circumstances anyone could *ever* want that result, it seems thoroughly impractical and pointless.

have you ever seen this graph ?



i should point out it is from 2006, so things may have evolved slightly, and also that the red segment about using tables is totally wrong in my case (i loathe tables and i only use them for tabular data, never for design).

the true breakdown is probably somewhere between that chart and this one :

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by Over

It works fine in IE6 and IE7. Maybe it's something not directly related to the browser?

BTW, I love IE7. Stop hurting my feelings, people!

Actually I like IE7 as well when I use it as an RSS browser. For regular stuff I am an old Netscape kind of guy so I use SeaMonkey. It is based on firefox but has a user interface that looks and operates like netscape including the email function.

Dale

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

Actually I like IE7 as well when I use it as an RSS browser.

Wow. really. RSS in IE is lame to me. I use FeedDemon. Have you tried it. It is free now.

BOb

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Wow. really. RSS in IE is lame to me. I use FeedDemon. Have you tried it. It is free now.

BOb

No, has it got categories? That is a great feature in IE7.

Dale