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Old 05-09-2018, 08:54 AM   #286
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Sun Surfer, I think that your ideas are excellent. I’ve always had some concerns about the lack of a more organised reading/discussion approach in the club. So I particularly like the idea of using discussion chunks. Likewise, the nomination/vote threads would benefit from your suggestion. I feel that the nature of the Literary Club means that there will generally be a variety of works of varying difficulty and length in the selections chosen. A poem or drama, for instance, might well benefit from a different discussion approach than would be appropriate for A Thousand Miles Up the Nile.

As to the use of shorter cycles, I can see the benefits of the greater flexibility that approach would provide.
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Old 05-23-2018, 12:49 AM   #287
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I like the idea of shorter cycles too.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:39 PM   #288
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Thank you both for your input! And thank you fantasyfan for the encouragement and insight. I haven't responded til now to give some time for whoever all may want to respond, and to mull over the possibilities more myself.

I guess we can go one at a time and so it sounds like shorter cycles it is then. Perhaps we could start off in more or less three-month cycles and see how that goes? That would be July-September, October-December and so on, which would give us maximum flexibility to accommodate any new members, anyone dropping by and our own whims. It wouldn't be set in stone though; we can always change things if we decide some other way would be better, especially as we'll be updating things every few months. Any objections or suggestions to that?
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Old 05-29-2018, 09:26 AM   #289
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Thank you both for your input! And thank you fantasyfan for the encouragement and insight. I haven't responded til now to give some time for whoever all may want to respond, and to mull over the possibilities more myself.

I guess we can go one at a time and so it sounds like shorter cycles it is then. Perhaps we could start off in more or less three-month cycles and see how that goes? That would be July-September, October-December and so on, which would give us maximum flexibility to accommodate any new members, anyone dropping by and our own whims. It wouldn't be set in stone though; we can always change things if we decide some other way would be better, especially as we'll be updating things every few months. Any objections or suggestions to that?
Sounds good to me. 😊
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:38 PM   #290
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Great! Anyone interested feel free to comment on any of these at any time but I'm going to go to the next item now.

It also sounds like trying out discussion chunks is a go, at least for a trial. I've personally been trying it out for myself this month and I'm enjoying it. This would be on an individual preference basis so that anyone can still participate how they want, but perhaps I can list recommended discussion chunk dates in the first post, and maybe request that anyone can discuss later in the book earlier if they want but to please use spoiler quotes if they can if that's the case, though again I envision it being a very loose and forgiving request since some drop-bys might discuss later in a book without realising the recommended dates, and as well I'd prefer anyone who wants to post earlier than recommended than not at all.

To start, how do seven-day chunks sound? Of the range mentioned it seems the simplest and easiest to remember for everyone since it'd be the same day of the week each chunk. We could count based on the date the vote ends or the date the discussion thread starts, or always count based on the same day of the week every month if that would be more convenient although it would possibly give some extra days somewhere in a month (if the vote ended say on a Friday but our chosen day was Tuesday then we might either have a half-week or week and a half-week first discussion chunk). There's always the idea of changing the nominations/vote to start and end on specific days of the week as well to coordinate it all if we want.

Any input, objections or suggestions to any of that?
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:20 PM   #291
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Alright, next up would be the dynamic scheduling based on selection length/difficulty, which is the one I personally am most iffy on.

I think this would be the most dramatic change and would need to coordinate with whatever we decide on discussion-chunk segments and it would also alter how we look at cycle lengths.

If we try it we could work with either half-month or bi-weekly scheduling, meaning a chosen selection discussion would last either half a month/a month/a month and a half/etc. or two weeks/four weeks/six weeks/etc., and we could aim for a month as usual for 'normal' selections. This would give us flexibility in discussion periods while still keeping some kind of regular-ish schedule.

We would need to come together on what book length/difficulty might constitute an appropriate discussion chunk if we try this.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:31 PM   #292
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Some minor considerations, but I'm going to make a change or two to the info I post for nominations.

First is that I used to calculate the page total for a nomination by viewing its editions page on Goodreads and calculating the mean (always rounded up to the nearest whole number) of the first five (or less, if there's less than five on the first results page) different (i.e. excluding any identical results once counted) results within normal range (e.g. excluding an obviously incorrect 900 page listing for a book whose other listing are all around 200 pages, or an incorrect 45 page listing for a 600 page book) mostly English-language results (if I could tell the difference by title or if it listed language; otherwise I assumed the edition was English). I really liked this procedure because it wasn't too difficult and gave a more honest number to compare for a wide range of titles rather than taking the first result only (which if used would've sometimes resulted in very outlier lengths being used), and easier than me having to spend time thinking on which length is most appropriate to use for each title. I know I've mentioned all that before, but I wanted to describe the process again so the change will make sense.

Now I will look at the same group of five page lengths per title but instead of finding the mean, I'll just use the median (I would guess all of you know what that means, but just in case, it basically is that instead of adding the five together and then dividing by five, I'll simply choose the listed book length of the five that's in the middle when ordered lowest to highest). This will still be a good way to find average lengths of each nomination but will be slightly easier for me to do. It will usually mean no calculator necessary (yay!), unless there happen to be only four or only two results, in which cases I would have to add the middle two results together and divide by two for the median. This is just an FYI really since I don't think most would've really noticed one way or the other.

[Edit-For comparison, here's the list of this month's nominations with the mean listed first and the median second:

Tales of the Tikongs (2 Listings)
Mean- 099 Pages / Median- 099 Pages

The Daughter (2 Listings)
Mean- 221 Pages / Median- 221 Pages

Half of a Yellow Sun (5 Listings)
Mean- 506 Pages / Median- 543 Pages

Snow Country (5 Listings)
Mean- 191 Pages / Median- 175 Pages

Sunset Song (5 Listings)
Mean- 280 Pages / Median- 275 Pages

Resistance (5 Listings)
Mean- 328 Pages / Median- 320 Pages

Petals of Blood (5 Listings)
Mean- 384 Pages / Median- 368 Pages

Kokoro (5 Listings)
Mean- 258 Pages / Median- 248 Pages]


Second is that I'm considering adding in year published and country the writer is from for every nomination. I've already been doing this for the Region months (country) and the Time Period months (year) and I really like it, and since I usually go to Goodreads for each nomination anyway to get page lengths, this info is often right there as well and would be even easier to collect than page lengths. It might not be perfect; I don't want to spend a lot of time researching to make sure I have the most correct year or country in iffy cases, but it will still suffice to give a nice general idea and usually be correct, and anyone can always offer corrections if they notice something awry. My main hesitancy on it is not clogging the nomination list up too much.

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Old 06-19-2018, 12:33 AM   #293
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Sounds great to me, sun surfer! I'm not too picky about page numbers. I like the idea to add the year published. Thanks for sharing your thought process!
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