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A text can be copyrighted as much as it wants. If I decide to spend 5 years typing the text into the computer and then creating an ebook out of it before I read my copy of the hardcover, then that is nobody's business, and I won't get sued. Finding the text on the internet just made the typing process "a bit" faster for me, but the risks are for the uploader of it.
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Sadly, at the end of the day, it has mostly to do with which law firm you would have represent you than anything else, like the actual facts of a case, IMO. Last edited by jasontaylor7; 02-09-2013 at 02:51 PM. |
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Because of this, and the fact that it is impossible for a person surfing the net to check if every clip, text, movie or file or whatever they download is legally put onto the internet, the "Forbidden to download" motion was rejected in the Netherlands. Quote:
It's all about intentions here. If you see with what utter crimes some people can get away because of an "oops, mistake" in the report of one of the judges, then having an eBook clearly intended for personal use on a stolen laptop will not be a problem. It's the same as holding ME accountable for someone breaking into my home, stealing the hardcover, copying it page by page, and then selling those. It's too far fetched. But this is getting a bit off topic. I don't intend to share this creation with anyone except (maybe) the publisher. Not intentionally at least, and that will be clear enough. If I'd wanted to share it, then it'd be clear enough too: then I'd be on Usenet or Torrent. For typing / getting / OCR-ing the text into my computer, creating an ebook out of it and offering it to them for free? That'd be the day Last edited by Katsunami; 02-09-2013 at 03:04 PM. |
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"Under United States Federal law, making a backup copy of a DVD-Video or an audio CD by a consumer is legal under fair use protection. However, this provision of United States law conflicts with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act prohibition of so-called "circumvention measures" of copy protections. ... In 2010 the Librarian of Congress instituted a DMCA exemption which protects circumvention of CSS protection under certain circumstances.[6] This exemption will expire in 2013. ... The software was still legally available due to many countries not having such restrictions, but in November 2005, Macrovision acquired the intellectual property rights to the software, revoked all licenses of use for the software, and started sending cease-and-desist letters to distributors on the grounds of copyright infringement.[7]" And speaking of wikipedia, I recently uploaded an image to wikipedia. The image was from a scientist, who gave me direct permission to upload the picture to wikipedia. A Wikipedia moderator removed the image because I didn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the author made the image for the creative commons and fair use restrictions of wikipedia. So much for cc, fair use, and even any future financial donations to wikipedia from me. Indeed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_..._vs._RDR_Books Meanwhile, the likes of certain bankers, certain politicians moving revolving doors in large buildings, certain CEOs of large multinational companies, etc. constantly shag the public. In public. Last edited by jasontaylor7; 02-09-2013 at 04:04 PM. |
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You asked for it. Here is the overly long explanation with quotes and translations.
Dutch Law, at this moment: http://www.auteursrecht.nl/auteursrecht/22265/ Quote:
And that is exactly what I am doing. How I make that copy is not an issue. The organisation who arranges this, is Stichting Thuiskopie: http://www.thuiskopie.nl/nl Quote:
So we (the Dutch) actually pay a fee ("heffing", a sort of taxes, but not intended to go to the gouvernment) to Stichting Thuiskopie to be allowed to do this. This law site even states the following: Quote:
And here comes the kicker, the fat and underlined part of the above quote: It is not required to have bought an original copy yourself to make a home copy of a work. So even if I DIDN'T have the original book (or movie, or music, or... almost anything, except for computer programs, who fall under different laws), I would still be allowed to copy (download) it, as long as it's not distributed. However, I don't find that acceptable, and download eBooks only when there isn't an official one, and I already have a paper version. Quote:
I don't earn any money with this. I don't publish anything. Rest assured, I'm not doing illegal stuff here. Not in the Netherlands anyway But as I don't know all laws in all other countries, I might not contact the publisher of this book and just do what can be done: use the eBook myself. But again, it's off-topic and I think that I have proven sufficiently that creating this eBook for my own use is perfectly allowed; at least in the Netherlands Last edited by Katsunami; 02-09-2013 at 04:41 PM. |
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Thank you for that Katsunami. I'm amazed. That's nice. Very interesting. It seems you might be allowed to have done what you did. But I've become a skeptic about freedoms, and there is no end to the horror stories of people going to jail for, e.g., crossing the street. Regarding the ownership of decryption software in your country, four things.
1. This site implies, after google translation ("Software is expressly excluded from the right to a private copy . Who buys a program, there may be a copy (backup) of it. Download software may not, unless of course comes to shareware, freeware, open source or other software that is offered by the author himself. Distributing software may only if the license of the software allows." ) that it is still illegal to possess css decryption software. 2. None of your law matters if the book or dvd was sold in the usa. To be sure, I'm ignorant of international law, but the reason is that your country has extradition treaties involving the whole world. Copying an American dvd and even 1 little book in your country doesn't seem to fully remove you from American law and crimes. IMO it depends on where the publisher or ip owner is based. For a hollywood's css, it would probably be the LA, california, usa. Realistically, we can agree the chance is low, but you could have charges against you for having software that decrypts css in your country. OTOH, from what I've heard, extradition seems far more common than most people realize. (O'Dwyer may be the exception to the rule.) Don't hold your breath; it can take a decade to know if you will be extradited. 3. Does CSS DVD encryption really have nothing to do with eBooks? Guess again. They are related to the issue of "improving" an eBook you own, since, the motivation for breaking encryption is usually to do stuff with it, like improve it, or get it onto your portable video device. Nowadays, most eBooks are similarly encrypted, but using methods like Amazon's ADEPT system. Same issues; DRM is a double-edged sword. And the main difference between copyright and DRM is the ease of enforcement. I myself like one unpopular method of consuming eBooks, but am unable to realize it, as I can't legally "improve" many DRMed eBooks because of these restrictions imposed by certain publishers (namely, Amazon). 4. All these international laws might seem crazy. That case is easy to make. I'm not saying I'm for or against them. But, if it weren't for them, there'd probably be a lot of more issues with imports/exports of ip-based (intellectual property-based) goods, the engine of the post-computer economy, as it would become a way to bypass giving $$ to content creators. And though we can't change them, we should at least be aware of their existence, as you can't predict how far a publisher or bookseller might go to improve profits or, in the case of companies like Borders or Barnes & Noble, avoid bankruptcy. Lastly, the case law regarding eBooks is far too young for anyone to really know what's legal and what's not. You won't know for sure about anything you do with eBooks until your verdict is actually uttered. Jason Last edited by jasontaylor7; 02-09-2013 at 06:30 PM. |
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Downloading and/or cracking software is not covered by Thuiskopie. You are right about this. I have mentioned it also, in passing. It is illegal to use without permission or crack software for which must be paid, even for personal use. Quote:
Also, the case of Mr. O'Dwyre is again very different. He created a website, linking to material he did not own. (I find it very strange he could be sued for creating a search engine....) For the bazzillionth time, I don't link anything. I don't provide anything to anyone. I have no knowledge with regards to owning specific types of software such as CSS decryption software. However, we don't have software patents in Europe and the Netherlands. That makes that we can own / create / sell / use a lot of software that would be illegal in other contries. And this thread is about eBook formatting (possibly done by yourself), not about the legality of owning CSS decryption software. Last edited by Katsunami; 02-09-2013 at 06:04 PM. |
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Oh, by the way: you can rest assured that I will avoid to create my own eBooks from scratch if the text is 1200+ pages long. This is quite some work, but I only need to split the last part and put some italics in. For this one, it was worth it though.
Maybe I'll reconsider doing Beowulf, as I first intended. How many lines does it have; 3100+ on top of my head? Mèèh. Maybe not 1200 pages, but it sure is long enough. And then to include the numbers beside the text in a clean way.... I'd rather buy it for $1.75 at Feedbooks.com and hope it's as well formatted as their other books. But maybe I will do it and put it in the MR Library. Now there is only a German version. Last edited by Katsunami; 02-09-2013 at 06:12 PM. |
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Please do - it would be a welcome addition. I assume you're talking about the Old English original, rather than a translation?
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I'm talking about the one found at Gutenberg. It seems to all be translations. If you know where to get an old english version, I might do both, in time.
Edit: found it... ACK! I can read (late) middle ages English with some difficulty, but this thing is beyond my reach. It so old an English that I can't even recognize any English in it. I won't be making that one, as only very, very few people would read it. Sorry. Maybe I'll do it one day, but the priority is very low. I assume just uploading the Feedbooks version (translated by Guemmere) is impossible. The text may be free, but the work itself (that particular eBook) probably is not. Last edited by Katsunami; 02-10-2013 at 09:53 AM. |
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Well, I guess if the book I'm working on needs fixing, I'll know where to come to get help. I did try the Open Office epub export extension and it made a huge mess, so I was going to turn to maybe Kindle Writer for $40 when I finish everything (it does kindle and epub).
Since we are on the topic, I am creating an automatic TOC in Open Office, this requires the use of some formatting, that being Header 1 for chapters, header 2 for sub-chapter entries, and header 3 for sub-sub-chapter entries. What are the chances this formatting will make it out of OO and into any ebook authoring software with a minimum of correction? |
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Agree with JSWolf. I'd even go as far as saying you should write directly in Sigil, and create the book as an epub from the beginning. The book I'm assembling now has poems in it, and the only thing I need to do is this:
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<div class="poem" id="unique-name-here"> <p>First Line of the Poem</p> <p>Second Line of the Poem</p> <p>Third Line of the Poem</p> <p>Fourth Line of the Poem</p> </div> Code:
// This centers all poems on their respective pages. // It creates 1em margin above and below each poem. div.poem { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; } // This removes the indent set for each first line of paragraphs; // it's not wanted for poems. It sets the font of all poems to italic. div.poem p{ text-indent: 0em; font-style: italic } // Add this bit for each poem to make it as wide as wanted/required. // Of course, if all poems must be the same width, add this to div.poem above. // You can then also refrain from the id="unique-name-here" part. div.poem#unique-name-here{ width: 15em; } Really, with your next book, write it as an epub in Sigil from the get-go. Your book will be perfectly formatted (supposing you apply clean markup), it will be perfectly structured and very maintainable. Also, it will convert perfectly to Mobi, AZW3, or any format you'd want. While it requires some effort to learn to "program" a book, you'll find that it will save you a lot of time in the end. Suppose, if you really create the most epic of layouts for your poems and letters, then you can just cut and paste the CSS into a different book, and you're done. Besides writing the poems and letters, of course. And if you decide: naaah... I don't want the poems in italic. I want them all bold. Then you just change "font-style: italc;" to "font-style: bold;", and you're done. Because you're not working directly with the text itself, as you are in Word, you will never accidentally bodge the layout either. You'll thank me (and JSWolf) if you switch to full time Sigil for your next book Is it strange that I find this ironic? They really want you to upload books to them in what is practically their biggest competitor in terms of format... to upload books in the one format they DON'T support?! How stupid. They're actually acknowledging that EPUB is easier to work with than their own format, IMHO. It would be the same that Microsoft requires documents to be sent to them in ODF format instead of DOC(X)... edit: I've added an example to show what the sort of CSS above would yield. And yes, you can find the book I'm working on by putting the text into Google. You can actually read the entire thing in Google Books if you'd want (And for people who actually own the hardcover: no, the poems in there are not in italic, but *I* like them better that way.) Last edited by Katsunami; 02-10-2013 at 04:42 PM. |
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