04-25-2008, 06:33 AM | #46 |
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04-25-2008, 06:36 AM | #47 |
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youre talking about the "Da Vinci Code" now ?
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04-25-2008, 07:02 AM | #48 |
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04-25-2008, 07:56 AM | #50 |
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I've really enjoyed several Russian authors (Dostoevsky, Gogol, Tolstoy). Lots of action in a book is not a requirement for me - it's usually a distraction from the real activity.
Anyone read Thomas Hardy's Far From the Madding Crowd? I wish I had been. Dreadful. But it was a long time ago and in the right mood maybe I'd change my mind. It's malleable. Aside: An impressive 50 posts so far in less than 24 hrs. If there was a "The 10 Best Books" thread, I'm guessing it was not this active. |
04-25-2008, 08:16 AM | #51 |
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I've read and I enjoyed it ; I didn't think it was as good as 'Tess of the d'Urbervilles' though, which is still my favourite Hardy novel.
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04-25-2008, 08:34 AM | #52 | |
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This thread is not biased, but rather subjective in the opinions that one expresses on his or her dislike for a particular author or book. Any dialogue that examines why we like/dislike a work is a useful tool for discussion and critical thinking. Keneth Burke, a language theorist and rhetorician, talks about Terministic Screens and how these barriers that we all have - including me - can often result in misunderstandings and sometimes a closing-down of dialogue at a crucial point when dialogue is most necessary for a better understanding of issues. [I must add that Terminisitc Screens also refers to how societal and class distinctions, in addition to education, all play a part in how we percieve and then (re)translate another person's information into the realm of our own understanding.] Sometimes, as I mentioned, we close our minds too soon to other opinions. When this happens, we may be unable to understand why an individual responds to a particular book the way he or she does. Your tone is one of anger - as you admit - but I'm at a loss to understand fully where your anger comes from. I do understand your "discomfort" when someone makes a summary judgement while NOT having read the book in question, especially if it's an author you admire. This is irritating; however, you might ask that person WHY he or she has that opinion, thus opening up a discussion. At the very least, you're able to explain to this person why you like the author's work. Also, I must disagree with you that a successful author's opinion on another writer's work is somehow a barometer for what is "good" in our society - whether that successful author be a bestselling author or even a hugely popular author. It is with respect to your opinions that I have structured my response to you. I feel it's ok to disagree on issues, Lobolover, but to engage in critical thinking on WHY people disagree is really the important issue of this thread. Also, we're having fun here!! Don |
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04-25-2008, 08:51 AM | #53 |
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Anything by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman belong up near the top.
L. Ron Hubbard is an odd case: I personally don't primarily consider him a science fiction writer but rather a pulp writer. As pure SF his books lie near the middle of the pack, but as pulp they are very good. As to this thread, I think it may have been mis-titled. It probably should have been books people hate rather than the worst. It's perfectly reasonable (though perhaps incomprehensible) for people to hate Lovecraft, but his works were powerfully influential and acclaimed within the genre. That puts his work much more in line with being disliked than being bad. Anyway, there's my two cents-- take them for what they're not worth. |
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I just cannot remember when and where...give me a moment. Ah. Yes. My wife. She used to be an interior designer many years ago. She could not stand some of her clients. They would order something, then after perhapr 4-6 months of hard work she would present the project to them. Some of them would look at it and say: I don't like it. That's it. She explained to me: I would not mind if they disliked the project but explained what in particular they didn't like. An answer I like/dislike really drives her nuts. Looks like people are the same all over the world because my example originates from Minsk, Belorus Unfortumatelly, Quote:
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So, here's the dealy, mate. Have you ever heard the phrase "Everything was going just fine until you came in"? Well, there you are. You seriously insult my intelligence. You accuse me of not having read what I've put forth an opinion of. You dismiss any of my opinions, not with your own, but with the elitist catchall of "smarter people than you...". I don't expect you to agree. I don't mind if you strongly disagree. I don't mind if you vehemently disagree. However, don't let the sum total of your rejection be your half-arsed, barely readable spray of anti-grammatical, ad hominem slur and inaccuracy. Them's fightin' words, and I might not be as intelligent as "Every single authority on horror", but as sure as hell is as black as my heart I am good at fighting words, and in your corner you don't look like you're up for a single round against some bloodthirsty, cheating, biting, screaming, suckerpunching, brassknuckle verbiage. See, you're flailing-angry. As at this time, I am "restrained". Yours most sincerely, Marc (this is my name - if you choose to use "Mr." then the surname is "Lawrence", but my first name has always been here to use rather than pejoratively dismiss) |
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Here's a peace-offering: I assembled The Were-Wolf for you, the story you said you enjoyed. It's fully illustrated and is available in the Sony upload section. Enjoy! Don |
04-25-2008, 10:55 AM | #57 |
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Gentlemen,
There's a Latin proverb: De gustibus non disputandum. ('There's no disputing matters of taste') If I like apples and you like oranges then we are not disagreeing. We just like different things. Lobolover likes Lovecraft. I like Proust. It's the same sort of thing. We are expressing different preferences. We can explain our different preferences (--maybe I like long descriptions of soirees at duchesses' houses) but, fundamentally, there's no disagreement This is because we all make value-judgements about books, fruit, pies etc. These are expressions of opinion, not fact. Personally, I'm quite happy to live in a diverse world where people have different tastes. It means that there's always the possibility of trying something new and, maybe, liking it. |
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J.K. Rowling's books use all of the great hooks of a good mystery. She's a fan of the best literature (classic and modern) and their influence is on her is visible, though not overpowering. It may be a matter of taste, but I really think that in years to come people will go back and read the books after all of the hype has died down and they'll find some hidden jewels. |
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montsnmags -that was a few word description of a sacrifice scene,starting a ritual in Robert E. Howard's "The Black Stone".The wording there was better,but I wouldn't wanna look it up just now. Patricia-yes. Problem is,said person probably doesn't WAN'T to adapt to a mind frame of one of the most well-read authors of his time,the author of the first summary of literary horror in modern times,etc.Whatever,I don't want to argue,but saying that its the worst cause of the "writing down theese events" way of narration-which is about as absurd as the omnipresent, omniscient,bodiless,impassible narrator of a great number of fiction,then-why? but lets stop the bickering. |
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04-25-2008, 11:47 AM | #60 |
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Okay, folks, deep breath time.
We're discussing our opinions of books, they are inherently subjective and largely matters of taste. While the opinions here haven't all been phrased in ways that make them clearly opinions, the whole thread makes it pretty clear that it was asking for opinions. Whether something is well written or not doesn't really enter into it. I acknowledge that some of Dickens' work, for instance, is extraordinarily well written, but I really, really don't like it. It didn't make my personal list of "worst" but only because there were other things I liked less. The best way to end the 'bickering' is for each person to recognize that the opinions expressed here aren't really comments on the value of a given book, but rather are comments on the poster's view of it and to respect that each of us has a right to have their own view. I very much agree that uniformed opinions are pretty valueless, and that those who stridently proclaim their ignorant opinions can be extremely frustrating, but let's work from the assumption that the opinions here aren't based purely on conceit. We have an astonishingly well educated and well read group of folks here -- what did that recent poll show? Something more than 40% of us either have graduate degrees or are in the process of getting them? (I ain't one of those) That's pretty impressive to me, and it also suggests that assuming that folks have based their opinion of various books on something is more likely than not to be a reasonable move. So anyway, now that I've banged the old "respect" drum a bit, let's go back to a discussion based on the assumption that we're not making actual value judgments of books, but rather expressing and discussing our reactions to and views of them. |
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