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Oh, yes, some script-fu would be needed, but it should be relatively straightforward with some decent (x)(ht)ml parser
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I sometimes do a similar workflow when dealing with Endnotes too. |
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A text search would find the same useful places, but you would have to filter out the unhelpful matches yourself. That can be a chore if the term is used extensively in the document. I don't know how many times I've passed right by the stuff I was looking for while hitting "Find Next" repetitively. So, I think a proper index is good thing, even in a searchable document. Whether it can be implemented well in an EPUB is another question for those more expert than I am. |
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When you tag a word in Word or LaTEX or INDD, a "marker" is placed for that word effectively at the left-most, top-most position of the page, basically saying "here lies Setters, Irish." When the index is built, the page-tag is picked up and displayed, dynamically changing until the final layout is settled. When the reader reads the book, they flip to the page in question and visually skim the page. Ta-da! But, in an eBook, the tag would have to travel with the word. As it's an ebook, you're talking about a link. The word or phrase itself would be the target (and thus, on many systems, BLUE and underlined). There would be no backlinking; there wouldn't be any quickie reference, going forth to the index, choosing to read about Setters, Irish and then flipping quickly to all the "pages" or locations or targets and then back. It would be rather laborious. You'd be constantly going back to the index, back to the word/phrase, back to the annotations (page numbers, sequence numbers, whatever the hell you'd put there to indicate "Fred said something here") and then tediously going to the next. The only way you could possibly have any backlinking, from the index to the targeted item, would be if each paragraph or item or phrase or whatever, was only ever linked once. That's not that common, actually. I should also point out that not all eReaders (yes, I'm lookin' at you, ADE engine!), scroll to the spot in question. So...what's the reader get them? A screen full of text that with any luck, is near the item in question. It's a vexed question, indices in eBooks and there's no great solution, imho. Tex2002ans and I have wrangled over this innumerable times, trying to come up with "better ways" and the reality is, without investing far more time and effort (than any client will pay), the utility of the result, even an "ideal" result, is not that great. "Just" having the author or indexer tag the text doesn't really solve the problems. The only real functionality comes if some poor schmuck sits there and creates a landing at the beginning of each paragraph, (or mid-paragraph or wherever) where a given term is used or discussed and of course, heaven help you if the original index meant "pages 223,24, 25." I mean, just fuhgeddaboudit. We've all beaten this particular horse to death here on MR. I have yet to see a "good" solution to it. Hitch |
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And don't forget that if you are reading and want to go to the index, you'd have to remember where you left off reading or set a bookmark or you'd be a rather long time trying to find where you were in the book. Yet another reason against this index.
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It sounds like the best you could do in the index is link the chapter/section/subsection/... that the term is found in, and hope it isn't so big that the term gets lost in there. It would probably be better than nothing, but not really that good either. Oh well. It's funny that something that feels like it should be easy in an ereader turns out to be nigh impossible.
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I came up with "format-specific" and "format-neutral" page numbering schemes + ways of citing. Page numbers would be more "format-specific" (Print), while byte- and location-based methods are more ebook-friendly, but make absolutely zero sense in Print. Chapters/Sections are much more "format-neutral", and work across all formats. I believe I laid them all out in #166. If anyone thinks of any more categories, I'd be interested in hearing about them. Last edited by Tex2002ans; 05-24-2020 at 03:38 AM. |
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