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Ahh, okay - so that means, in theory anyway, that those EU customers who have their own Kindle stores (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr etc) but haven't transferred their account from Amazon.com are currently paying more (more VAT) on the same books than the people who have their Kindle account on their local site?
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What confused me was that before Luxembourg changed their ebook VAT from 15% to 3%, Amazon did charge that Luxembourg 15% VAT also from me, on Amazon.com, although our VAT was already 20% at the time - so I assumed they charged the Luxembourg VAT from all their EU customers also on Amazon.com. In fact, they continued to charge 15% also for some time after that change (i.e. it never dropped to 3% on Amazon.com but it also wasn't country-specific). It's only from this year or so (I think) that I noticed prices had gone up for me: again, it's easy to tell with the average self-published title, which went from the earlier usual $5.73 ($2.99 + $2 + 15% VAT) to $5.99 ($2.99 + $2 + 20% VAT) not long ago. So it sounds like in effect they're just going to equalise the VAT policy for all EU customers regardless of whether they have a local site or not... |
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No, you misunderstand me. When I said "this will affect everyone in the EU", I meant that the EU VAT Directive, which says that downloads will have to be charged at the buyer's VAT rate, will affect everybody, not that everybody will see higher prices as a result.
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I thought that for US companies selling to Sweden it was the buyers VAT rate that was payed for ebooks. |
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Kindle Edition Sold by Amazon Media EU S.à r.l. ? If so that's officially a sale in Luxemburg, 3% VAT If I (in UK) shifted to Amazon.com the prices quoted for me would be the same converted to US dollars. I have no idea what the Swedish and Estonian rules are today but from 2015 it will be the VAT rate in the buyer's EU state. |
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I thought right:*From 1st January 2015, this Directive also provides that VAT on telecommunications, radio and television broadcasting and electronic services supplied by a supplier established within the Community to non-taxable persons also established within the Community will be charged in the Member State where the customer belongs
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It is for EU sales, yes. It's an EU VAT directive.
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Complicated .... or what ? !
As mud is clear, so is this ....
However ....... let me see now ...... mmmm..... interesting .... I can see that there may well be the outside chance that a business I know, will see increased need for books, both for reference and the furtherance of the well-being of the workforce . Oh, and I can also see it would be far more efficient for said books to be in digital form, in order to maintain maximum free space for stock, work areas, and customer's comfort. I also believe it would be of great advantage to have dedicated ereaders conveniently available to customers and the workforce, for purely business purposes, of course ....... And do you know, I do believe there may be the possibility that said enterprise is VAT registered ... not sure, mind .... [ One appreciates it's not quite up there with moving tax headquarters to Ireland/Luxembourg/The Cayman Islands, but one does what one can ... ] |
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Yes, the current 3% rate only applies to digital downloads, such as ebooks and MP3s. Physical goods are already charged at the buyer's VAT rate.
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EU VAT directives also can say what outside companies should pay when selling to a customer in EU.
So for the purpose of buying Kindle books in Sweden the rule change 2015-01-01 will not have any effect at all. Unless I assume if Amazon starts a Swedish shop. |
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