09-12-2019, 10:45 PM | #16 |
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marlonjonesmba said:
I understand that it's a WYSIWYG program. DiapDealer said: But it's not. We removed all references to the word WYSIWYG from Sigil quite a while ago. Possibly part of the problem is that Google brings ups hits from download sites (softonic, cnet, etc, etc) that still use the old WYSIWYG description. And, OH-MY-GOD----Wikipedia! Wikipedia says: Sigil supports both WYSIWYG and code-based editing of EPUB files. I guess nobody has updated that page in a while. So it is understandable to me that new users would be confused about this. Last edited by GrannyGrump; 09-12-2019 at 11:00 PM. |
09-13-2019, 05:21 AM | #17 | |
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They flood the top of many Google searches, and talk about how great and easy the WYSWIG editing in Sigil is. Typically, the non-technically savvy people find those sites. And then instead of finding the best EPUB tool there is (Sigil)... they go to garbage like Vellum (it still infuriates me how much marketing nonsense there is about that program, and it's $250+, Mac-Only... preposterous!). |
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09-13-2019, 06:26 AM | #18 |
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I fully understand that PageEdit is a program totally different from Sigil, simply, I think that its integration could potentially be better (than the"Open With..." or "External XHTML editor").
I'd also like to lift a embicuiter: I am a "CodeView editor". But I think of all those who use Sigil think that it is a WYSIWYG editor because it has been presented to them as such. I came to Sigil because it was WYSIWYG, I had problems with BookView, I found this forum, and I was kindly explained to me that BookView was depreciated (and would soon be removed), so I got into CodeView. How many people are still at step 1 or 2 of my journey? Probably a lot more than you think. Many will abandon Sigil because BookView has disappeared and he can't imagine any other way of working than in WYSIWYG (and we never will be). Sigil is, in many ways, the best publisher from scartch in ePub, the first is that it encourages people to learn what an ePub really is. Still, it is necessary to be properly invited (what BookView was doing) |
09-13-2019, 06:31 AM | #19 | |
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I did a Google search for 'epub editors' just after GG posted, none of those cnet, softonic download sites came up in first couple of pages. And only a couple of the half-dozen or so '10 best epub editors' pages even mentioned Sigil, and those that did didn't mention WYSIWYG. Probably my location or my Google analytics profile BR Last edited by BetterRed; 09-13-2019 at 06:41 AM. |
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It was Open Source (huge plus), ran on every OS (huge plus), and let me see the book itself without having to look through HTML code soup, or having to constantly drag back to ADE to make sure I didn't botch anything. You were even able to do very minor corrections in Book View (like add a space, delete a letter, comma->period) without making the book explode... and then once I became much more comfortable with EPUB, then went digging into the HTML. Many readers just needed that easy GUI "fixing"... but if you look at some of the HTML out of Word abominations, InDesign, or HTML from convert-my-docx-to-any-format-dot-com, even I wouldn't know where the heck to start! (Well, I do now... but you get the point. We're talking about noobs! ) Quote:
Perhaps now it's being drowned out by even more of the Vellum, Kindle Create, iBooks Author, -type "drag-and-drop, look how 'easy' it is to create a pile of garbage and call it an ebook" programs. :P Last edited by Tex2002ans; 09-13-2019 at 06:58 AM. |
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09-13-2019, 07:47 AM | #21 |
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A counterexample is enough to refute that. I am using Sigil since 0.34 and i choosed it to have control over every little screw and i only used bookview as a very first rough preview.
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09-13-2019, 08:50 AM | #22 | |
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PageEdit will remain a separately launched tool (installed anywhere the user likes, and configured with the provided button in Sigil), and Sigil will continue to lack any WYSIWYG descriptors until people get it. This conversation is pointless in the grand scheme of things. People will learn, or they will be left behind. Their choice. In a year, everyone will have adapted or moved on, and none of this will even matter. I once believed in my heart that Sigil 0.4.2-ish was the be-all, end-all version of Sigil. And that any version after the 0.4.x series was an abomination. This too shall pass. Last edited by DiapDealer; 09-13-2019 at 09:26 AM. |
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09-13-2019, 11:09 AM | #23 |
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I started way back in the 0.x era (2010).
It only took me 3 times trying to join a broken paragraph in Bookview to decide to never make a change there, only to view and locate (code was synced to BV). PS I did not even know any REGEX back then |
09-15-2019, 05:40 PM | #24 |
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When I first encountered Sigil, I was beyond the stage where open-source software could confuse me with a plethora of download options - source code, x-86, x-64 (obviously with my latest Windows version I needed the higher number, right?), Linux (what's Linux?) etc. But I knew plenty of people who would have fallen at that hurdle.
I joined the fold when my friend, owner of a not-so-small publishing company, thought it would be a good idea to teach me how to help him with eBook conversion. He prepared his books in Word, then into Quark for page layout. As he had pretty well-formed Word files, Calibre was giving him pretty clean code. He tidied up in Sigil. My first impression of Sigil was 'there must be something better than this!' Then I realised there was a layer underneath Book View which he had never used and wasn't showing me. Yes, you can be a successful eBook publisher without ever straying beyond WYSIWYG! He was even getting functioning footnotes! I find exactly the same scenario when wearing my other hat as a musician. Good musicians who own advanced software but do little but scratch the surface. (Of course, in music we encounter another breed too. Those who are adept on the computer but know little of how music works. At least eBook newbies don't expect Sigil to write the story for them!) |
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Thanks for all the info. I have just installed Sigil on another machine and was as surprised as the original contributor that I lost the ability to edit the text directly. I know a little HTML but not having to worry about it was great when, for example, having to put in line feeds after Calibre joined sentences together. I have installed 0.9.14 and it's working fine again.
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01-27-2021, 12:58 PM | #27 |
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01-27-2021, 07:52 PM | #28 |
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