Printing The NYT Costs Twice As Much As Sending Every Subscriber A Free Kindle

Liviu_5 · 01-30-2009, 11:04 PM

Title says it all.

Link:

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/p...-a-free-kindle

gdhaliwal23 · 01-30-2009, 11:40 PM

most awesome, those are some interesting figures. who wudda thunk that?

astra · 01-31-2009, 06:07 AM

One more prove that printing is a lot more expensive than e-thing and ebooks prices are overprices deliberately by greedy publishers.

Liviu_5 · 01-31-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra

One more prove that printing is a lot more expensive than e-thing and ebooks prices are overprices deliberately by greedy publishers.

We *know* this despite the unconvincing attempts of various interested parties to prove otherwise. If the content/editing/ was the major cost, the model of 25$ hc priced 3 times higher than original mmpb would not make sense, since the cost is the same for content/editing for a mmpb and for a hc.

And again I talk about *original* mmpb which do quite a lucrative business, so the argument that mmpb are a second edition so in hc you pay for time-value is moot...

Ebook prices are high because the industry is geared towards that, not because of intrinsic costs. Only powerful external factors will bring them down, the way p2p brought music prices down

Alisa · 01-31-2009, 02:04 PM

I think he's stretching it a bit. The number of subscribers in his figures are only those that have been subscribed for two years or more. I would like to know what percentage of the total sales that is.

pilotbob · 01-31-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

One more prove that printing is a lot more expensive than e-thing and ebooks prices are overprices deliberately by greedy publishers.

We did have a publisher in another thread say that his printing costs were about 40¢ per book. But, he neglected to mention the distribution and pulping loss costs. I asked about it but there was no reply.

BOb

ProfJulie · 01-31-2009, 02:21 PM

And there's the disposal costs too of paper products....even though much paper is biodegradable, electronic media doesn't cost anything to dispose of....delete, click, gone!

Alisa · 01-31-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfJulie

And there's the disposal costs too of paper products....even though much paper is biodegradable, electronic media doesn't cost anything to dispose of....delete, click, gone!

However, electronic devices do have a real disposal cost. There have been quite a few debates about how much use you need to get out of a reading device before you break even, ecologically speaking.

coolcat1901 · 02-01-2009, 12:39 PM

Kindle is going to help a lot of companies I think. It is the way to read for the 21st century...

Wetdogeared · 02-01-2009, 04:58 PM

I posted this article earlier in the week. It measures some of the ecological aspects of ebooks vs pbooks.

Quote:

75,000 ~ amount of tress used to print one edition of the Sunday New York Times.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/media/...20090124C7.pdf

simplyparticular · 02-02-2009, 09:52 AM

First, this would cut off ALL NYT newstand revenue. Which I'm sure figures into ad revenue.

Also, the NYT would be placing their eggs in the Kindle basket. That's asking a lot in a lousy economy and digital downloaded content has a shaky history with providers. What if Amazon abandons the Kindle in a year, 2 years?

Frankly, if they do consider this, Amazon should pay the NYT. 800k+ new potential customers to sell eBooks to.

Bree

rlparker · 02-02-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alisa

However, electronic devices do have a real disposal cost....

I heard a related story on NPR this morning. The state of Oregon has become the first state to require electronics manufacturers pay for recycling of TVs, computers and other e-waste.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=100131277

I think it's a good idea to make these costs explicit for ALL products.

Wetdogeared · 02-02-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlparker

I heard a related story on NPR this morning. The state of Oregon has become the first state to require electronics manufacturers pay for recycling of TVs, computers and other e-waste.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=100131277

I think it's a good idea to make these costs explicit for ALL products.

There are 4 Canadian provinces who collect eco fees from the consumer. The fees are listed here.<--link

Nate the great · 02-02-2009, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlparker

I heard a related story on NPR this morning. The state of Oregon has become the first state to require electronics manufacturers pay for recycling of TVs, computers and other e-waste.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=100131277

I think it's a good idea to make these costs explicit for ALL products.

That was a stupid place to attach a recycling fee. It should be attached to the sale, not the manufacture of the device.

tompe · 02-02-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

That was a stupid place to attach a recycling fee. It should be attached to the sale, not the manufacture of the device.

Why is this better? Who would then pay for getting rid of unsold devices?

01-30-2009, 11:04 PM	#1
Liviu_5 Books and more books Posts: 917 Karma: 69499 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: White Plains, NY, USA Device: Nook Color, Itouch, Nokia770, Sony 650, Sony 700(dead), Ebk(given)	Printing The NYT Costs Twice As Much As Sending Every Subscriber A Free Kindle Title says it all. Link: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/p...-a-free-kindle

02-02-2009, 09:52 AM	#11
simplyparticular Guru Posts: 610 Karma: 1395952 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Device: Oasis 3 & GlowLight 4	Maybe, maybe not. First, this would cut off ALL NYT newstand revenue. Which I'm sure figures into ad revenue. Also, the NYT would be placing their eggs in the Kindle basket. That's asking a lot in a lousy economy and digital downloaded content has a shaky history with providers. What if Amazon abandons the Kindle in a year, 2 years? Frankly, if they do consider this, Amazon should pay the NYT. 800k+ new potential customers to sell eBooks to. Bree

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gdhaliwal23 Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: none	most awesome, those are some interesting figures. who wudda thunk that?

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astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	One more prove that printing is a lot more expensive than e-thing and ebooks prices are overprices deliberately by greedy publishers.

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Alisa Gadget Geek Posts: 2,324 Karma: 22221 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Paperwhite, Kindle 3 (retired), Skindle 1.2 (retired)	I think he's stretching it a bit. The number of subscribers in his figures are only those that have been subscribed for two years or more. I would like to know what percentage of the total sales that is.

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