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I hope you get the time to stay around (hard when also trying to run a business - but from an ebook perspective, this is perhaps a valuable forum for testing and monitoring the weather?). Added perspective is always good for everyone, and you'll no doubt find a depth of attitudes and opinions (DRM and copyright, for instance, are topics that get hashed virtually continuously 'round here) that might help, and a perspective to offer that might inform the discussion. Personally, thanks for taking time to come and offer your perspective and an "About us". Cheers, Marc |
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03-17-2009, 09:51 PM | #17 |
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I'm in your corner Shane. My purchasing experience at horror mall was excellent!
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03-18-2009, 06:23 AM | #18 |
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My participation here runs the gamut. Strip away my publishing credentials and running a rather large indie store which carries digital products, you'll have someone who loves the digital medium. In the past year, I have switched to reading 100% of my leisure reading to digital. This prompted me to focus the direction of my company towards going digital in the near future.
As added perspective, I've been a published author since 1995 (before becoming a publisher) so I do have some strong views as an author (pro-DRM). So basically here's where I stand on the DRM issue from all my perspectives: Publisher (Pro-DRM). The reason being is that an typical indie publisher makes an average profit per title of less than $2000. Piracy in this regards (and on a mass level as in posting work on websites, etc) would cause problems due to indie publishers not having the money for legal representation to handle such matters. Author (Pro-DRM). Take into consideration that a novel takes me approximately 6-7 months of my life to write. A lot of emotional pain and long hours at the computer. When I'm finished I'm drained emotionally. And for all the work and sacrifice, my publisher sends me an advance check for $500-$1000. In the end, with royalties, I'll receive maybe $2k. That's about 1/10 of what it would take for me to survive for that 6-7 months work. The idea of having a file of my work floating around for readers to share while I'm starving is just too much for me to even consider. Bookseller (Anti DRM): Simply it's a nightmare to deal with and a pain in my ass. Reader (Anti-DRM): I'd rather have my purchases be free and clear without having to worry about any repercussions of being locked out of access later on. However, in the end, the one thing that I'll honestly admit is that why I lean on the side of DRM is my general personality. I'm generally not a very trusting person when it comes to business. The honesty policy doesn't work for me due to the fact that 1 person taking advantage of abusing the system could ultimately wipe out 1000 sales to honest buyers due to the time and expense needed to deal with problems. I've seen my independent businesses get screwed so many times by people taking advantage of them. And when this happens, and money is taken out of my pocket, it's ultimately money taken away from my family. Since I'm not a corporation, it's tough to just look the other way. I wish it were easier. Another factor for me with only offering Kindle and PDF at this time is that I own a Kindle, so it was a gateway for me to keep quality control on layouts and such. My publishing company is Mac-based, so when doing research I found that it's not so clear cut to actually have files converted to all the other formats needed to offer a comprehensive digital array of formats. PDFs were a given since all of my physical titles are in that format to begin with and I love the design control you have with PDF. But I will agree that I don't care much for reading on a computer, like most of you. |
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1. Do you feel that a pirated version is a lost sale? Would a person that steals the ebook have bought it in the first place? 2. Given that pretty much every DRM scheme has been cracked. What are you actually gaining by using DRM other than some false sense of security? 3. Do you realize how much DRM inhibits your customers from using the ebook as they would like on the device of their choice? 4. Are you aware that there are ebook version on the "darknet" of books that have never even been published as ebooks because the author was worried about piracy? The Harry Potter books being a case in point? BOb |
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03-18-2009, 10:36 AM | #20 |
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horrormall the problem we have here is one of formats. We have a number portable devices that all use a 6" eink screen. Yes, they say they support PDF. But they don't do it well enough to expect people to actually purchase PDF. The only real format you offer is for the Kindle and at a higher price then you do the PDF. The Sony Readers (except the 500) can view ePub and they all view LRF. Most of the others view Mobipocket. This is not a DRM issue. This is an issue of not having a format that most people want. And at a reasonable price. It's not reasonable to change a low price for PDF and a high price for AZW. If you started out with a good HTML file, you could use Calibre to convert into ePub, LRF, Mobipocket, and LIT. Granted all without DRM.
You see, the people who would pirate eBooks can strip off the DRM without thinking twice. So why bother with DRM? DRM only hurts the honest people. Basically, you need a lot more work to make your eBooks work. Right now, they are a serious mess. Mismatched prices, limited/poor formats, and a website that needs a redo from the ground up. |
03-18-2009, 10:47 AM | #21 |
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Yup. It only takes one person to scan a paper book, or circumvent a DRM scheme - nearly all of currently used DRM schemes can be circumvented with one-click programs, to have an ebook on the darknet. If you release paper books, you can't prevent it, the only option available is competing with the darknet version. You need to make the product people pay money for more easily available, better quality and more convenient to use.
There are many long threads on this forum about the advantages of producing DRM-free books, on the fact that in such a dynamic place as Internet obscurity is worse problem for authors than stealing. Recently someone asked a question why some DRM schemes that are easily circumvented for years now have never been patched - we haven't found a better answer than that it doesn't influence sales for authors of DRM scheme. But it generally means the only thing they sell is a false security publishers and authors feel. People usually turn to most convenient way to get another volume by the same author after reading one they liked. It doesn't matter whether the first one they read was stolen or not - it might generate many sales if your store is the most convenient way of getting the next book ready-to-read. Getting a book off darknet requires knowledge of how darknet operates, and not everything in there is available at the same time - usually you get just a trickle, 20 books a day, no more. So people who want to get all their books from darknet have to hoard everything they download for months before they can get collection large enough to have most of what they want to read on disk when they want it. With your store, they can go to a webpage, see a large collection of titles, read reviews, click to buy - and from that point on it has to go as smoothly as possible. Every problem the user has with getting a book to where he wants to read it means potentially lost future sales for you. It's all about instant gratification nowadays. And people who turn to darknet only for money reasons aren't lost sales for you - they'd never buy the books anyway. But if they ever get more money, you need to be able to convert them, to make them stop spending time on getting books from darknet and get them from you - much more easily. So everything DRM is doing right now is losing you sales. I quite understand most authors don't know how things stand, and don't have time or inclination to read such forums as this one. What I wrote here is a summary of what I read on this forum over a last year, and to the best of my knowledge this is how it is with ebook business. I hope it helps. |
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And one thing about DRM that I did forget to mention. Adding DRM to the eBooks actually costs money. And without DRM, you won't be spending that DRM money so you can sell for less because your costs would be less and lower prices means more sales.
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The website is one of the most user-friendly sites out there. Granted, it's not catering to digital customers because it's NOT a digital-only site. We have movies, physical books, artwork, etc.. |
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03-18-2009, 01:17 PM | #25 |
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I've looked at. It's fine. There is a lot of black, but it is a horror site.
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03-18-2009, 01:19 PM | #26 |
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I dont agree with JSWolf. Hes just whining because he aint getting drm free books.
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Since you already have Kindle versions, why not also offer Mobipocket since that's basically what the Kindle version (azw) is. Are you planning on offering versions that other devices can handle? |
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03-18-2009, 01:33 PM | #29 |
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Lumely huh? I'll be clicking the link to your site.
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03-18-2009, 01:35 PM | #30 |
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The big problem now as a publisher is dealing with authors who want no part of unsecure files on the market. Other than that, I'm a Mac-based company and have had actually problems designing other files types. Mobi in particular. Can't release what you aren't able to read, produce and fine-tune.
And I refuse to own a PC. Which means I'd have to outsource file conversion which isn't optimal when you're running a small business with extremely small profit margins in the digital area. The Kindle editions we produce are HTML-based core files. Which is easy, as I'm a webmaster, so have the skills needed to produce these. The Amazon prices are higher due to Amazon taking 65% of the cover price. :-( |
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