Kindle Library Loans Goes Live Today, 21 Sep 2011

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Thanks! They have 32 copies of The Help Unfortunately, 309 other people are waiting for it.

I'll still probably sign up for a card, anyway.

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

Ouch. I checked my libary. Not that I could get the e-book with a Kindle in Canada yet, but 84 people waiting are waiting for 0 copies the libary has available in ePub format. So that's what hell is like for a reader of e-books.

I checked the paper copies. It's at 681 holds on 135 copies. I'm so glad I mainly read things no one cares about.

I ended up buying my own copy a few days after posting!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by markbot

Well, I get out of the book and into the main screen, go back to the book, go through the pages, etc. Everything is normal.

I didn't strip its DRM. Although, I did jailbreak my Kindle so that I could change the screensavers.

Originally Posted by kennyc

Interesting. I thought I'd done exactly that when the library lending went live and it didn't work. I've got one checked our right now that expires in a few days, I'll check it after that.

My book just expired and on the book listing page of the Kindle App on my Xoom it says [Loan Expired] and displays a message saying that when I try to open it.

I did however just open the book on my Kindle2 (with wireless turned off).

Now I turned wireless on and it has the same message on the listing - [Loan Ended] and same message when I try to open.

Guess the moral of the story is to keep your wifi turned off.

[wallcraft]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I did however just open the book on my Kindle2 (with wireless turned off).

Now I turned wireless on and it has the same message on the listing - [Loan Ended] and same message when I try to open.

MobiPocket library books had the expiration date set in the DRM, but this suggests that Amazon might instead be relying on its servers to expire ebooks. Your test was not definitive, because it is possible that the clock on your Kindle isn't accurate except when connected to wireless.

The latest AZW DRM stripping scripts won't strip DRM from time limited ebooks. Based on the python code anyone trying this should get the message:

Cannot decode library or rented ebooks.

If Amazon is not actually putting the time limit in the DRM, this won't get activated and the DRM will be stripped.

Based on the description of how it works, books from the Free Kindle Owner's Lending Library for Amazon Prime Members do not expire. However, you can only borrow one at a time, i.e. return one before checking out the next. So they presumably don't have a time limit in the DRM.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

. Your test was not definitive, because it is possible that the clock on your Kindle isn't accurate except when connected to wireless.

The latest AZW DRM stripping scripts won't strip DRM from time limited ebooks......

My clock was right. It had nothing to do wtih that.

Your second statement is wrong as well, unless it's changed in the last week.
oops, you are right about this...I just tried it. I don't normally check out Kindle/mobi books, but prefer epub .. thus my confusion. (but I did not get that error, message, just one that said decryption failed)


I do not have the Amazon Kindle lending library yet as I do not have my Fire yet, it's possible they are doing something different there.

Normally for Library books I check out epub as opposed to Kindle in any case, but I will do come further investigation of the Kindle/mobi formats, particularly once my Fire arrives in a couple of weeks.

[wallcraft]

Originally Posted by kennyc

My clock was right. It had nothing to do wtih that.

Your second statement is wrong as well, unless it's changed in the last week.

So it is definitive, Amazon is not putting the time limit in the ebook DRM - but rather controlling them from its servers. Note that this is different from Adobe ePub/PDF library ebooks, which do have the time limit in their DRM and it is the reading device that enforces this limit.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

So it is definitive, Amazon is not putting the time limit in the ebook DRM - but rather controlling them from its servers. Note that this is different from Adobe ePub/PDF library ebooks, which do have the time limit in their DRM and it is the reading device that enforces this limit.

Sorry about the second statement, I've corrected it above....

As far as the Kindle Lending Library, I think you may be right ... will know in a few weeks, eh?

[kennyc]

One thing I do is that this time-changing to/from DaylightSavingsTime SUCKS!!

[Joykins]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

The latest AZW DRM stripping scripts won't strip DRM from time limited ebooks. Based on the python code anyone trying this should get the message: If Amazon is not actually putting the time limit in the DRM, this won't get activated and the DRM will be stripped.

I have been able to strip DRM from Kindle loan (the person to person 1 time 14 day lending) ebooks as long as I download and open the book while the loan is still active. I don't know if this is the same thing or not.