Page numbers

Notjohn · 04-04-2020, 11:10 AM

Most or all of the library books I borrow have page numbers, so I am beginning to feel behind the curve. Can anyone point me to a source of information on how KDP publishers can enjoy this privilege, if indeed we can?

I'm publishing as epub2, if that makes any difference.

Thanks! - NJ

Quoth · 04-04-2020, 12:21 PM

There is a thread on this.
epub2 is indeed the best to upload to Amazon. Certainly it's possible to have the info Amazon needs.
Amazon decides if they want to enable page numbering (KFX or AZW?) based on if there is a paper book and if they want to. Probably not for fiction.
Aren't most library books using epub and adobe page numbers?

I know some people don't care and others feel it's an necessity. I think only needed for reference works also on paper.

It's a topic that seems to excite people.

DaleDe · 04-04-2020, 02:59 PM

You can check in our wiki Page numbers or more specifically at APNX

Dale

Tex2002ans · 04-04-2020, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Notjohn

Most or all of the library books I borrow have page numbers, [...]. Can anyone point me to a source of information on how KDP publishers can enjoy this privilege, if indeed we can?

We just had a discussion about this a few weeks ago in:

Correct Page Numbers in Kindle?

Hitch even answered that in Post #11+#14:

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Originally Posted by Hitch

You can generate an eBook with what's referred to as "real page numbers," but Amazon will NOT use them--even if they are present in the file--unless or until a matching print book is published and EVEN THEN, they will not facilitate it unless in their sole opinion, there's a good reason for it. So, for a novel, probably never. For a research book, they'll take a hard look at it. But even then, it's not guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Hitch

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

Or I assume when Amazon merges Print/Ebook versions in their store, RPNs are something you inform them of and they'll enable it in the backend (at their discretion)?

You do as we've discussed--add the ids based on page numbers, to match the print edition; create a page list, and alert Amazon and in their infinite wisdom and sole discretion, yes, they'll enable it. :-)

JSWolf · 04-05-2020, 06:45 AM

I think page numbers for eBooks is one topic that may never end.

Notjohn · 04-05-2020, 10:02 AM

Thanks for the pointers. I find doing a Search on Mobireads is futile. I tried it, of course, and got three entirely unrelated threads.

I will press on! (The library book I borrowed yesterday has only "locations", and from the same author and publisher of two earlier books that did have page numbers, so it's certainly not universal.)

I write mostly non-fiction, as opposed to what I borrow from the e-brary, so page numbers are important to me, both as a writer and as a reader, when I'm reading non-fiction.

j.p.s · 04-05-2020, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Notjohn

Thanks for the pointers. I find doing a Search on Mobireads is futile. I tried it, of course, and got three entirely unrelated threads.

You can search by tag in advanced search. Three existing tags that might help are "page number", "page numbering", and "page numbers". There is also a tag "apnx". (I don't use the " character in the tag box.

Tex2002ans · 04-05-2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Notjohn

Thanks for the pointers. I find doing a Search on Mobireads is futile. I tried it, of course, and got three entirely unrelated threads.

See the tip that I wrote here:

Post #10 in "EPUB-Checker error: undefined property"

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

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Originally Posted by Dabcar

I know that's not going to come in one place, but if anyone can point me to any resources that would help me get up to speed in a reasonable time without having to crawl through mountains of posts and websites (which has been my experience so far), I'd be grateful!

In your favorite search engine, you could search:

Code:

any topic + Tex2002ans site:mobileread.com

I've probably written about everything under the sun at this point. There's no one location for all this info (although I've been working on compiling things the past year).

Hitch is also a fantastic source (runs one of the largest ebook conversion companies, Booknook):

Code:

any topic + Hitch site:mobileread.com

and she discusses a lot of the real-life issues/bugs that crop up.

Using site: to narrow down searches... That's how I go back and find all the information built up over the years.

(And on the opposite end, you can use -site: to remove sites from your search... like let's say pinterest floods your image searches, you could tell the search engine to not waste time showing those.)

Notjohn · 04-09-2020, 10:57 AM

Thank you, Tex; thank you, j.p.s. I fear I am far from a Wizard....

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04-04-2020, 11:10 AM	#1
Notjohn mostly an observer Posts: 1,389 Karma: 943440 Join Date: Dec 2012 Device: Kindle	Page numbers Most or all of the library books I borrow have page numbers, so I am beginning to feel behind the curve. Can anyone point me to a source of information on how KDP publishers can enjoy this privilege, if indeed we can? I'm publishing as epub2, if that makes any difference. Thanks! - NJ

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Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 1,874 Karma: 8659780 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: Both Kinds: epub based makes and Kindle	There is a thread on this. epub2 is indeed the best to upload to Amazon. Certainly it's possible to have the info Amazon needs. Amazon decides if they want to enable page numbering (KFX or AZW?) based on if there is a paper book and if they want to. Probably not for fiction. Aren't most library books using epub and adobe page numbers? I know some people don't care and others feel it's an necessity. I think only needed for reference works also on paper. It's a topic that seems to excite people.

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DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,365 Karma: 12912996 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	You can check in our wiki Page numbers or more specifically at APNX Dale

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JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 57,057 Karma: 52002826 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 4, iPhone SE 2020, PW3	I think page numbers for eBooks is one topic that may never end.

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Notjohn mostly an observer Posts: 1,389 Karma: 943440 Join Date: Dec 2012 Device: Kindle	Thanks for the pointers. I find doing a Search on Mobireads is futile. I tried it, of course, and got three entirely unrelated threads. I will press on! (The library book I borrowed yesterday has only "locations", and from the same author and publisher of two earlier books that did have page numbers, so it's certainly not universal.) I write mostly non-fiction, as opposed to what I borrow from the e-brary, so page numbers are important to me, both as a writer and as a reader, when I'm reading non-fiction.

04-09-2020, 10:57 AM	#9
Notjohn mostly an observer Posts: 1,389 Karma: 943440 Join Date: Dec 2012 Device: Kindle	Thank you, Tex; thank you, j.p.s. I fear I am far from a Wizard....