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Old 12-12-2022, 08:29 PM   #1
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Looking for the most reliable and best value color ereader 8-10"
Im starting a new job and theres alot of material to read - lots of graphs data etc which requires different colors to identify and not greyscale.

Any recommendations?

I have a boyue b/w 10" reader so i was thinking of getting a 8" color if theres a big difference in price between 8" and 10" in color.

Had a quick look and bigme seems like a big player. But is it worth getting a onyx? (had a bad experience with the 10" boyue with a dead battery). I'll pay the extra $$ for reliability instead of having a $500 paperweight in a year or two.

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I don't know much about the Android color eInk tablets, so the only 8" (7.8") reader that comes to mind is the PocketBook InkPad Color.

https://pocketbook.ch/en-ch/catalog/...nkpad-color-ch

Available (in the U.S.) at Amazon and NewEgg...

https://www.amazon.com/Pocketbook-In...8-24b2eaf37afa

https://www.newegg.com/pocketbook-in...5007-_-Product
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Looking for the most reliable and best value color ereader 8-10"
Im starting a new job and theres alot of material to read - lots of graphs data etc which requires different colors to identify and not greyscale.
If you don't have to use it in bright light, then I would opt for a 10 inch color tablet for such tasks.
At the moment there are no devices that can use colors properly and a color resolution of 100 dpi at best is unacceptable in my opinion

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Also only about 4000 shades/hues compared to 16 M, but the poor colour and contrast may not matter for charts or comics.
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Onyx is the only one I know, and I thought they only do 7.8", but I may be behind the times. The text will be less clear than on a B/W screen, but that is true of all color e-ink. Regarding battery, it was a relatively simple process to change the battery on my Nova. You could order a battery and put it away. When the battery eventually dies, take the device and battery into a tech guy and get him to swap it out for you, or do it yourself. Personally I am finding more and more that DIY battery replacement is a reality for modern devices.
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PocketBook is launching a new 8" colour device with an E Ink Gallery 3 display.

https://pocketbook.ch/en-ch/news/poc...k-viva-news-ch
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PocketBook is launching a new 8" colour device with an E Ink Gallery 3 display.

https://pocketbook.ch/en-ch/news/poc...k-viva-news-ch
300 DPI with no color filters and you post here without also announcing in News or even the Pocketbook forum?
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Old 12-14-2022, 04:07 AM   #8
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It isn't traditional eink if it doesn't use a filter for colour, even if called eInk.
It's made by the E Ink company but isn't eInk, it's Advanced Color ePaper (ACeP™).
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In Gallery 3, the black and white update time has been improved to 350 milliseconds (ms), the fast color mode is 500 ms, standard color mode is 750-1000 ms and best color is achieved at 1500 ms. This is a substantial improvement over the first generation of E Ink Gallery, which had a black and white update time of two seconds and color updates of ten seconds. In addition, Gallery 3 will have an improved resolution of 300 pixels per inch (ppi) versus the earlier 150ppi and an operating temperature of 0-50 degrees Celsius, on par with black and white eReaders. E Ink Gallery 3 will also support pen input in black and white, with an addition of several other colors and an update time of 30 ms. E Ink Gallery 3 will be featuring E Ink’s new ComfortGaze™ front light, which offers a blue-light safe viewing experience.
They are coy and don't say how many mono shades or colour hues it does.
https://www.eink.com/color-technology.html
I'd take any info on other sites with a bucket of salt.

It's using four layers of Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and White (black) so will be considerably dimmer than real eink mono, but brighter for same light as the higher saturation filtered eink.

It's very slow at about 3/4 to 1 second, or 1.5 seconds for full colour. Even fast mode colour is 1/2 second. Mono is a little slower than 1/3rd second.

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300 DPI with no color filters and you post here without also announcing in News or even the Pocketbook forum?
According to this article (and/or press release), there are seven major manufacturers who are going to use this new system. The screens (supposedly) are already in mass production.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...tomer-Launches

I wonder who the other six major manufacturers are? Kindle? Kobo? Barnes & Noble?

Here's a Kickstarter promotion for the Bigme Galy using this screen...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bigme/galy

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Galy, a kickstarter project. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bigme/galy

(It seems that BadEreader is involved somehow, which takes away any interest I had.)
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Galy, a kickstarter project. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bigme/galy

(It seems that BadEreader is involved somehow, which takes away any interest I had.)
Sorry. I didn't read close enough. Looks like there's going to be more than PocketBook making these -- so they should be widely available by summer next year. Supposedly this screen is going to have about 50,000 colors. So not an LED screen but a big improvement over the 4,000 (5,000?) colors in the current color E-Ink eReaders.

EDIT: This site says that there will be only 1,500 colors and that there will a be a speed penalty for running at "full color." Also mentions other companies who have been known to sign on. (No mention of Kindle, Kobo or Barnes & Noble).

https://liliputing.com/pocketbook-vi...oming-in-2023/

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https://pocketbook.ch/en-ch/news/poc...k-viva-news-ch
Only 599 EUR! Almost free!

This is a great development, and I very much look forward to these devices. To me, however, they are practically useless in the sub-10" category. The only reason I'd want colour is to read comics on an e-ink device, which has long been a dream of mine. But for that I'd need at least 10", if not 13".

But it'll be interesting watching the development from the sidelines.

For now, I'm more interested in a good 10" 300 PPI device.
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There is a 13.3″ panel.
Web page seems pale grey on white, nearly unreadable.
https://shopkits.eink.com/product/at...play-ac133ut1/

So full colour is only about 50,000 (vs 16,700,000 for LCD/OLED/LED without HDR) and 1.5 second refresh. The fast colour is only twice as fast at best and 1,500 colours.

Seems better suited to signage & advertising than an ereader.

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E Ink launched the next generation – E Ink Gallery™ Plus in 2022. This full color ePaper module, has a color gamut ideally reaching 60,000, an improvement over the earlier generations. The contrast ratio is improved by 40%, from 10 to 14, providing a more impactful visual experience.
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So dark without bright lighting. Perhaps it's why the panels include the Comfort Light Pro.

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13.3” E Ink Gallery Plus display is suitable for various applications, e.g. Artwork, Signage, Retail, etc…

Why should you choose Atelier with 13.3” display

● Accelerated design-in process of color ePaper
● Cost effective lay-out design as reference
● End-products adopt features of E Ink display, such as always-on, low power consumption, sunlight readability, etc.
● Suitable for applications such as signage and retail market
● Hardware and software support from E Ink directly
I think a gimmick / misguided making an ereader with a Gallery™ Plus Display.

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There is a 13.3″ panel.
Web page seems pale grey on white, nearly unreadable.
https://shopkits.eink.com/product/at...play-ac133ut1/

So full colour is only about 50,000 (vs 16,700,000 for LCD/OLED/LED without HDR) and 1.5 second refresh. The fast colour is only twice as fast at best and 1,500 colours.

Seems better suited to signage & advertising than an ereader.
Is the Gallery Plus the same as the Gallery 3? I'm guessing (don't know) that the Plus is the second generation.

I don't think these screens will appeal to people who use (and like) tablets for reading -- but it will probably appeal to those who either like (or could like, if it was a bit better) than the Kaleidoscope E-Ink screens. This might be a nice step up for them. Side by side they look significantly better. I have no idea if the performance issues would get in the way or not.

Personally I don't need (and am not looking for) a way to read books in color on an E-Ink device. Definitely wouldn't use an LED tablet for this either.

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I thought I was referencing the Gallery 3. The Gallery Plus seems earlier
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E Ink Gallery™ 3

In Gallery 3, the black and white update time has been improved to 350 milliseconds (ms), the fast color mode is 500 ms, standard color mode is 750-1000 ms and best color is achieved at 1500 ms. This is a substantial improvement over the first generation of E Ink Gallery, which had a black and white update time of two seconds and color updates of ten seconds. In addition, Gallery 3 will have an improved resolution of 300 pixels per inch (ppi) versus the earlier 150ppi and an operating temperature of 0-50 degrees Celsius, on par with black and white eReaders. E Ink Gallery 3 will also support pen input in black and white, with an addition of several other colors and an update time of 30 ms. E Ink Gallery 3 will be featuring E Ink’s new ComfortGaze™ front light, which offers a blue-light safe viewing experience.

Buy E Ink Gallery™ evaluation kit here.
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