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Old 11-20-2021, 01:44 PM   #31
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I don't think I'll ever buy another Nook, unless they come out with something truly innovative.
No matter what B&N does with the hardware, unless they really up the software, it's still going to be a dud.
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I think I expressed myself badly. I'm not a typography nut; by being fussy about fonts and layout I meant being able to use a specific sideloaded font and customize things like losing header and footer. Those things you can do even on a Kindle, but not on a Nook.
Withe last last few software updates, you can turn the footer off. But I don't think you get an extra line of text. It is just off.

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I realize all this sounds like nitpicking. As I said, I have a specific set of preferences and without being able to use several of my preferences on the Nook, I feel constant frustration every time I read on the Nook. Low-key frustration, but still. At first I thought I would get over it, but I didn't. It's like a minor toothache.
No worries. I'm not trying to sell you a Nook. Was just replying to what I understood of your comments.

I don't notice any deterioration without page refresh, but I am likely just not sensitive to it. I still enjoy reading on a Nook ST with a Pearl screen at 800X600. I clearly don't have the highest standards
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No matter what B&N does with the hardware, unless they really up the software, it's still going to be a dud.
I do wish/hope that they really pay attention to the software. The fact that they are still pushing updates to the older models is hopefully a positive sign. I'd love to see B&N back in the competition.
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Old 11-20-2021, 02:38 PM   #34
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Withe last last few software updates, you can turn the footer off. But I don't think you get an extra line of text. It is just off.
Thanks. I haven't seen this, but then the last time I read on my Nook was several months ago. I guess it's better than nothing.
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I don't notice any deterioration without page refresh, but I am likely just not sensitive to it. I still enjoy reading on a Nook ST with a Pearl screen at 800X600. I clearly don't have the highest standards
Heh yeah. We all did once, and put up with terrible layouts, a couple of fonts and a handful of font sizes, bad contrast and so on. I read on my basic nontouch Kindles for years. But then I wasn't spoiled yet and didn't know any better.

I still charge those two old basics and look at their screens every time I do. I couldn't read on them now to save my life. Well, perhaps only to save my life, or if I had absolutely no access to anything else.

Paper books would still be even worse.
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I don't notice any deterioration without page refresh, but I am likely just not sensitive to it. I still enjoy reading on a Nook ST with a Pearl screen at 800X600. I clearly don't have the highest standards
I haven't noticed it either. Maybe the Glowlight 3 is different from the Glowlight Plus (6.8") here? Or maybe Sirtel has a defective Glowlight Plus?
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I haven't noticed it either. Maybe the Glowlight 3 is different from the Glowlight Plus (6.8") here? Or maybe Sirtel has a defective Glowlight Plus?
It's not a defect. It's apparent on any eink reader I've ever used, be it Kindle, Kobo or Nook.

As I said, most people seem to be completely blind to it for some strange reason... but I can't not see it. Possibly it's my eyes that are defective.

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It's not a defect. It's apparent on any eink reader I've ever used, be it Kindle, Kobo or Nook.

As I said, most people seem to be completely blind to it for some strange reason... but I can't not see it. Possibly it's my eyes that are defective.
I did a quick Google search and (apparently) there is an add-in to set up page refresh the page on these Nooks, so apparently you're not alone. I think all my modern eReaders are set to "never refresh."

Found the little video (but not the discussion about it yet)...

https://vimeo.com/341652208

It looks like it's using KoReader, however.
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I think we all have very definite ideas about what we want. It's not as if we're changing the settings every five minutes. Having a free choice of fonts is important, even if you set it once. I never used the B&N stock reader, I had a reader that allowed whatever font you wanted with a wide range of sizes, approximately 9% (ok, 9.05%=exp(ln(2)/8)) difference between (geometric) steps in a range from 1/2 to 2. i.e. 17 steps.

On my Onyx Poke3 I don't have any refresh problems. If I did, I could throw a full refesh button on my remote.
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Found the little video (but not the discussion about it yet)...

https://vimeo.com/341652208

It looks like it's using KoReader, however.
It's also upside down

That u button at the top should be an n button on the bottom.
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Old 11-25-2021, 06:01 AM   #41
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I think the time has come to sell my Nook and to give up on B&N altogether. So far I was reluctant to do it, because my Nook was the only reader over 7'' I had, and the contrast was very good even without full refresh. But one of the recent updates really f-d up the contrast. The text is now grey instead of black, and even hopping between books doesn't help anymore. I know they released a supposed fix for the grey font issue, but either I haven't gotten it or it just didn't fix anything, because my text is still grey with both default fonts and the publisher option, and no amount of tinkering has changed this. I've gotten at least two updates after the grey font one, so I'm really at my wit's end now. And furious.

I'm not going to bother with downgrading. I'll just sell it. Big thumbs-down, B&N.

Sorry for venting in the new Nook thread. I apologize.
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The thing about contrast is that without full refresh every page the contrast deteriorates quickly (on any ereader). Right after full refresh on the Nook the difference in contrast wasn't that significant; a couple of pages in and the contrast on the Nook was considerably poorer than on the Sage (which is set to refresh every page).
The font grows increasingly less dark as you turn pages? That sounds like a hardware fault. I had that on a Nook ST. The only way to fix it was to force a full page refresh.

Edit: On the Nook ST, tapping the power button forced a full screen refresh and made the text solid and dark again.

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The font grows increasingly less dark as you turn pages? That sounds like a hardware fault. I had that on a Nook ST. The only way to fix it was to force a full page refresh.
It does that on other eink readers too. In fact, on any eink reader I've used. Unless I just hallucinate it, which isn't totally impossible.
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The font grows increasingly less dark as you turn pages? That sounds like a hardware fault. I had that on a Nook ST. The only way to fix it was to force a full page refresh.
You might want to do a search on eink and ghosting. The newer eInk displays with their Regal waveform are less susceptible to ghosting but you will still need to do the white-black-white refresh every so often.



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