07-20-2013, 10:18 AM | #61 | |
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Another position is that data collection itself cannot be (realistically) regulated in any meaningful fashion (because of technological issues) and the only sensible regulation can be on its uses and abuses. Debates are built off differences like that. I would point out that a lot of what raises people's hackles falls within the province of "accounting data" which companies are *required* to retain by the same governments grappling with the complexities of privacy protection. |
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07-20-2013, 10:50 AM | #62 |
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Ultimately Pandora's box is open, perhaps too long and all that can be done is to protect future people not those alive today.
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07-20-2013, 12:19 PM | #63 | |
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Of course. That's why I wrote "I think" ;-)
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By the way: how can you regulate the "use" of data that are exploited for means that are only indirectly related to the data itself? For instance: data about your habits can be used to guess where you live, where you work, and (therefore) what your social status is. Based on such guess, someone can target specific ads at you. How, exactly, could you even know that such data exist, who has them, and what they are being used for? And if even you don't know, how can anyone detect an abusive use of data about you, and who did it? |
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07-20-2013, 01:20 PM | #64 | |
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Luck; Ken Oh, wait I get it, you must be a Moderator wannabe, or maybe just Canadian. Last edited by Ken Maltby; 07-20-2013 at 01:24 PM. |
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07-20-2013, 01:47 PM | #65 | |
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I'm slightly puzzled by the attitude expressed here that you just can't do anything about online privacy. I do not see why a program that is supposedly just aiding product searches on a website but that is in fact a spying device shouldn't legally be treated like malware and its authors prosecuted. If the internet is a legal no man's land, then why should anyone bother about online piracy either? |
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07-20-2013, 02:34 PM | #66 | |
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07-20-2013, 02:56 PM | #67 | |
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If it is so, if I follow you everywhere with a camera and film everything you do, and maybe also bug your house, this should not be an issue to you. Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 07-20-2013 at 03:01 PM. |
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07-20-2013, 03:14 PM | #68 | |
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It would not be an issue, unless you made it one by interfering in my activities or made some use of the film in some manner that caused me harm. I assume that bugging my house, without a warrant is already a crime and the planting of such a bug would involve breaking and entering or at least trespass. You would also have to deal with my dogs and the armed homeowner. Luck; Ken |
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07-20-2013, 03:16 PM | #69 |
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Ok, so bugging your house is a crime and is forbidden. Why shouldn't bugging your browser be treated the same way?
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07-20-2013, 03:26 PM | #70 | |
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As many people have mentioned a multitude of times and in numerous places: there is precious little we can do about it now though. The decision to make the Internet a free-for-all was made long ago, when people demanded that the medium go unregulated. Alas, a lack of regulation means that certain technologies and attitudes were developed that are going to be difficult to reign back in. |
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07-20-2013, 03:28 PM | #71 | |
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07-20-2013, 03:28 PM | #72 |
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The whole affair reminds me of Google WiFi sniffing. An intentional mistake.
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07-20-2013, 03:33 PM | #73 |
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This is the point I'm not convinced of. It's difficult to prevent individual people from doing nasty things; it should not be so difficult to prevent companies, which are much more identifiable and can easily be targeted by regulatory actions. Of course the problem is: while individual people do not have the power to prevent such regulatory mechanisms being set up, companies...
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07-20-2013, 04:01 PM | #74 | |
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. While that is intended to bind the government, it has been generally adopted as a principle in common law. "My Home is My Castle" provides some reference to the concept. Luck; Ken |
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07-20-2013, 04:09 PM | #75 | |
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Even if they couldn't make a convincing argument and the data collection ended up regulated, what's to stop them from hosting their services in countries that don't care about privacy? Once that happens, legislators have no control over the collection of data. |
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