05-16-2013, 01:09 PM | #31 | |
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Apple runs on a Collusion Culture. Let's not forget the *other* recent federal lawsuit, the one they setted, and the ongoing class action suit from their *own employees* for colluding with half the SiliValley tech companies not to hire each other's employees in order to keep salaries down. While everybody angsts over trade-dress patents, their real crimes against their own employees get quitely swept under the carpet because (most) "everybody else" in town doees it. |
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happen, The Abolition Movement and Civil War, the international Womens Suffrage Movement. The unaffordable "national health insurance plan" is an example of a Government plan that few wanted and is hardly proving to be "in the best interest of its people". As for the last; Is there something about the current administration that might cause you to consider that argument? Luck; Ken |
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However, it sure looks like Apple pushed the Agencies too hard with their "most favored nation" clause. |
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In any event, my comment wasn't a defense of Apple or Steve Jobs, because really it's irrelevant whether or not he knew what he was doing was illegal. Although if he didn't, then Apple's in-house lawyers failed at their jobs; saying that Apple's lawyers failed does not mean I"m absolving Steve Jobs of anything. |
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Even if "Stop Amazon" was universally accepted as something that absolutely NEEDED to happen; if it was imperative for the very survival of the industry; everybody was on board--no exceptions: it still wouldn't be a valid defense for the charges being brought. Even without any coercion to comply with the attempted coup, "Stop Amazon" wouldn't be any sort of magic, mitigating justification for illegal activity. It should not be construed as such by anyone wanting to be taken seriously. No matter how much you might wish Amazon could be "stopped."
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The e-mail is obviously written by Steve Jobs, he had a special position in Apple, and what he did does not necessarily demonstrate what is happening with rank and file Apple employees (here, management). For all I know, a majority of Apple employees might be equally scandalized by the content of e-mail. Or not. I can not say. |
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They priced a handful of books below cost as loss leaders, but overall made a profit on eBooks. A standard method for retail sales. Not to mention that at the same time other retailers at the time were sometimes cheaper than Amazon.
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Any if you'll use an Apple device you will loose all your rights, anyway. Last edited by joblack; 05-16-2013 at 03:40 PM. |
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Like many other hippie capitalists of his vintage, Jobs had to see himself as a rebel: as being in an adversarial position to the ladder he'd already ascended, to his competitors and to the market he wished to manipulate. It wasn't an accident that Apple Inc. began with phone phreaking any more than Jobs' fetish for black turtleneck sweaters (the pivot chord between hitman casual and Igor Stravinsky's beret) should have been a surprise.
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Can we *finally* put that myth to rest? Amazon had ebook sales that temporarily dropped prices on *some* ebooks. They made their money back on other *ebooks*, not on TVs or DVDs or other merchandise. They made a *profit* pre-agency and they are making a way bigger profit now because Agency crippled indie ebookstores, killed most of the hardware-only ereader vendors, and helped mainstreamed indie publishing. The only winners from agency were Apple and Amazon. And Apple's "win" is being debated in court. "Don't throw me into the briar patch!" Edit: 1- The trial is about a conspiracy to raise prices via Agency, not about Agency or the prices. Just the act of conspiring to raise the prices triggers the law. 2- Claiming they were trying to prevent Amazon from dominating the industry is, as the Judge already ruled, a non sequitor. Intentions, good or bad, are no justification for breaking the law. 3- To add insult to injury, Apple's "excuses" neglect that Amazon has today at least the same market share they had before the conspiracy. The losers, besides consumers, were the smaller indie ebookstores that lost access to BPH titles for months on end right as ebook adoption was exploding. Apple's gains didn't come from Amazon, they came from Nook, from Fictionwise, from Books On Board, from Sony, from other ebookstors. Last edited by fjtorres; 05-16-2013 at 06:45 PM. |
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How does this NOT make the thread political? You followed an off-topic allusion with an unrelated comparison then chastised the target of the first two comments. This is about price fixing not taxes.
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