Touch Paragraph Splitting and Whitespace

JD Gumby · 08-02-2011, 09:31 AM

So, is anyone else annoyed at how the Kobo (the Touch, anyways; dunno about the others) refuses to split smaller paragraphs across pages in Kobo epubs. All that extra whitespace caused by it starting a new page rather than splitting is really starting to bug me. :/

(obviously this doesn't happen with sideloaded books, thankfully, and means I'll be going with books directly from Project Gutenberg rather than their Kobo store versions)

HarryT · 08-02-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JD Gumby

So, is anyone else annoyed at how the Kobo (the Touch, anyways; dunno about the others) refuses to split smaller paragraphs across pages in Kobo epubs. All that extra whitespace caused by it starting a new page rather than splitting is really starting to bug me. :/

This is the widow/ophan control feature of the Adobe firmware which the Kobo uses. All devices which use Adobe's firmware (ie pretty much every reader except the Kindle) does the same thing. You're right - it can be irritating on occasions.

JD Gumby · 08-02-2011, 09:55 AM

It *only* does this with books directly from Kobo, however, which is weird. :/

(just tested with Terry Brooks' "Bearers of the Black Staff", downloaded from a library and sideloaded via ADE)

jswinden · 08-02-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JD Gumby

It *only* does this with books directly from Kobo, however, which is weird. :/

(just tested with Terry Brooks' "Bearers of the Black Staff", downloaded from a library and sideloaded via ADE)

The KT uses two seperate rendering engines: one for kePubs (Kobo store ePubs just for the KT) and ePubs (sideloaded ePubs). That is why more options and features are available for kePubs. For example, you can highlight text in a kePub but not in a sideloaded ePub.

taming · 08-02-2011, 11:29 AM

Did you try turning off Kobo styles? I don't see this behaviour (or if I do, not often enough for it to be noticeable to me) and I have the syling turned off by default.

JD Gumby · 08-02-2011, 12:18 PM

Styling is greyed out on the Touch (and didn't actually do anything, anyways

)

jswinden · 08-02-2011, 12:54 PM

Are you using a sideloaded font? As I recall there were a couple of sideloaded fonts that caused huge amounts of whitespace--as in a half of a page in some cases. You wouldn't think it would be a font issue, but that is what the Kobo devs told me it was. Even with system fonts I occasionally saw page breaks that resulted in several line heights of white space. But that was back in 1.9.6.

taming · 08-02-2011, 01:16 PM

Well, with kepub books on my Touch, it isn't greyed out. Odd. Turning it off does some things that can be hard to "catch", like changing paragraph indentations and making it easier to notice hyperlinks.

Joe563 · 08-02-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Gumby

Styling is greyed out on the Touch (and didn't actually do anything, anyways

)

Styling is greyed-out only for non-Kobo EPUBS. For Kobo EPUBS the only difference I have noticed is with hyperlinks. With Kobo Styling off they are shown in a light grey font whereas with Kobo Styling on they are shown with the regular font.

JD Gumby · 08-02-2011, 02:16 PM

Ah, you're right about the styling. Silly me. Doesn't help, though, with the widow/orphan issue, which is annoying.

jswinden - Nah, using the built-in Rockwell for my font.

JSWolf · 08-02-2011, 02:24 PM

What I do is strip the DRM, and then I am able to go into the ePub and add in widows and orphans of 0. This turns this annoying feature off. I feel it would be better defaulting to off.

08-02-2011, 09:31 AM	#1
JD Gumby Cynical Old Curmudgeon Posts: 1,085 Karma: 8495696 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Kobo Arc, HTC Desire C	Paragraph Splitting and Whitespace So, is anyone else annoyed at how the Kobo (the Touch, anyways; dunno about the others) refuses to split smaller paragraphs across pages in Kobo epubs. All that extra whitespace caused by it starting a new page rather than splitting is really starting to bug me. :/ (obviously this doesn't happen with sideloaded books, thankfully, and means I'll be going with books directly from Project Gutenberg rather than their Kobo store versions)

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08-02-2011, 09:55 AM	#3
JD Gumby Cynical Old Curmudgeon Posts: 1,085 Karma: 8495696 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Kobo Arc, HTC Desire C	It only does this with books directly from Kobo, however, which is weird. :/ (just tested with Terry Brooks' "Bearers of the Black Staff", downloaded from a library and sideloaded via ADE)

08-02-2011, 11:29 AM	#5
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	Did you try turning off Kobo styles? I don't see this behaviour (or if I do, not often enough for it to be noticeable to me) and I have the syling turned off by default.

08-02-2011, 12:18 PM	#6
JD Gumby Cynical Old Curmudgeon Posts: 1,085 Karma: 8495696 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Kobo Arc, HTC Desire C	Styling is greyed out on the Touch (and didn't actually do anything, anyways )

08-02-2011, 12:54 PM	#7
jswinden Nameless Being	Are you using a sideloaded font? As I recall there were a couple of sideloaded fonts that caused huge amounts of whitespace--as in a half of a page in some cases. You wouldn't think it would be a font issue, but that is what the Kobo devs told me it was. Even with system fonts I occasionally saw page breaks that resulted in several line heights of white space. But that was back in 1.9.6.

08-02-2011, 01:16 PM	#8
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	Well, with kepub books on my Touch, it isn't greyed out. Odd. Turning it off does some things that can be hard to "catch", like changing paragraph indentations and making it easier to notice hyperlinks.

08-02-2011, 02:16 PM	#10
JD Gumby Cynical Old Curmudgeon Posts: 1,085 Karma: 8495696 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Kobo Arc, HTC Desire C	Ah, you're right about the styling. Silly me. Doesn't help, though, with the widow/orphan issue, which is annoying. jswinden - Nah, using the built-in Rockwell for my font.

08-02-2011, 02:24 PM	#11
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,957 Karma: 128903250 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What I do is strip the DRM, and then I am able to go into the ePub and add in widows and orphans of 0. This turns this annoying feature off. I feel it would be better defaulting to off.

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