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Are you now saying you no longer claim that in-app advertising on Android apps holds "the promise of [greater] overall revenues"? |
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01-05-2013, 11:00 PM | #513 | |
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A quick look at the 25 most popular free apps on Google Play reveals a huge number of iOS-first apps: Skype, Angry Birds, Instagram, Fruit Ninja, Shazam, Cut the Rope, Jetpack Joyride, Netflix, Temple Run, etc. |
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01-05-2013, 11:34 PM | #514 |
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And for your information I know that as I use both an Android-based smartphone and tablet as well as an iPad 4... the simple point I made concerned the point that you made about the data relating to Opera and not Dolphin which I pointed out could equally apply to it being Opera and not Safari (fyi the most popular browser under iOS) and that Opera was a cross-platform browser so could have some relevance to data across both platforms... as you nicely put it, follow the bouncing ball and read what people write not what you think they write and please lose the patronising attitude... and I'm still surprised that you haven't commented on the real flaws in the example given...
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Please, read more carefully. --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 01-06-2013 at 12:09 AM. |
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01-06-2013, 12:12 AM | #517 | |
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These are not ads in the Opera browser, they are ads delivered via the Opera mobile advertising network. 80% of them appear in apps on all smartphone platforms. This is typical of how PatNY argues. He glances cursorily at the relevant data without trying to understand it, identifies a lone element he thinks he can nitpick about while avoiding the substance of the debate (in this case, the word 'opera'), and then tries to spin it to support his false claim. There is no logic involved, no reasoning. Just knee-jerk reaction in defence of a preconceived conclusion. Last edited by holymadness; 01-06-2013 at 12:20 AM. |
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01-06-2013, 12:28 AM | #518 | |
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Yes, you did say "potential profit." Those weasel words allow you to now, retroactively, claim that you mean profit in... 5 years! 10 years! Whenever Android finally gets around to being, you know, actually profitable for developers. In the meantime, it's 3.5x-4x less profitable to develop for Android than iOS now. That is a fact, not amateurish armchair conjecture. That is why Android apps are so poor compared to iOS apps, because serious businessmen making professional products go where the money is. Meanwhile, the un-curated Android stores are flooded with shoddy junk from hobbyists, inflating their numbers but not improving their quality. Last edited by holymadness; 01-06-2013 at 12:56 AM. |
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01-06-2013, 01:23 AM | #519 | |
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"... greater profitability there in the long run." "... the promise of overall revenues were greater." "... potential profit ..." Those are all precise quotes of what I said earlier this evening. And, no, I certainly don't mean in 5 or 10 years. How about 1 year. Or 2 at the most. LOL, I'm so sorry you're having so many issues with reading comprehension. That's your problem, not mine. As for Google Play, there is no evidence that "hobbyists" are filling it up with "junk." But if it makes you feel better to make up such feeble things ... whatever floats your boat! --Pat |
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01-06-2013, 01:32 AM | #520 | |
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Here is a quote from that Opera report: "The report is based on traffic across Opera’s own mobile advertising network, which sends ads to some 10,000 mobile sites and apps." Do you understand it yet? Should I repeat that for you? Will it help? Hint: How do you think people are viewing those ads which are on the "mobile sites?" Really, you shouldn't link to reports that not only are missing important information -- relative to the point you're trying to make -- but which you also can't understand. --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 01-06-2013 at 01:41 AM. |
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I invite anyone else interested to read the report and see for themselves just how badly PatNY has understood what is written in plain English. The Opera mobile ad network displays ads in both apps and in mobile browsers (all browsers, not merely its own). 80% of its 40 billion ad impressions came from native apps on all major smartphone platforms. Ads served on iOS accounted for 347% more revenues than those on Android. |
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01-06-2013, 02:26 AM | #523 | |
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Nope. My thesis is that the reason developers are flocking to android more than iOS (and that part isn't a thesis; it's fact) is because of greater profit potential currently and in the near future (up to two years). You do know that app profits are a continuous stream, don't you? Developers don't realize profits only at a set point in time. For at least a moderately successful app, the profits come in almost right away with initial sales, and will continue to grow if either (a) the app grows in popularity OR (b) the user base grows larger. So, since the android user base is growing exponentially faster than iOS, a developer can submit his app to Google Play tomorrow, start getting good profits almost right away, then sit back for the next few years and watch his profits continue to roll in (with maybe only a few app updates in the interim needed). So he's counting on the Android user base to be maybe twice the current size in 12 or 16 months, increasing his profit potential in tandem. It's like investing for continuous dividends and compounded growth. And in this case the developers are "investing" with Android more heavily. --Pat |
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01-06-2013, 02:36 AM | #524 | |
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After having just said "These are not ads in the Opera browser" (your exact words) you now admit right above that the ads are displayed "in mobile browsers," after I point out to you your utter confusion. And while ads are displayed in all browsers, the data in this report is specific to the Opera browser. --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 01-06-2013 at 02:49 AM. |
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