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Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language... It has very little to do with religion per-se, but certainly is tangentially related. As far as where the Greeks got their ideas, seems to me they simply looked around themselves and asked questions. Which is the real core of philosophy (and science). Last edited by kennyc; 09-24-2010 at 11:10 AM. |
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09-24-2010, 11:11 AM | #932 |
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The pre-socratics were among the first to speculate about nature without reference to the gods.
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09-24-2010, 12:31 PM | #933 | |
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I think the presocratics had plenty of more interesting sources than the Jewish leaders! For example the Egytians - wasn't it Herodotus who said something like "Compared to the Egyptians in mathematics the Greeks are like small children". There is also a question of the Persian magi. The question is whether the Upanishads and Vedas had an influence on Heraclitus - this is a contested subject.
The rig veda has an interesting hymn on a conscious, creator - see 10.129. Also Heraclitus repeats this theme - fragment DK 30. |
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I will leave this discussion to others.
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With regards to the emergence of monotheism, there may have been some influence from the east but I think the idea that Greek philosophers traveled to and studied in Judea is wishful thinking at best.
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And Toronto shoppers don't go buying in Buffalo?
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Hi FlorenceArt
Well of course one of the interesting things about H. is that we only possess fragments but they are very extensive. There has been much work done on interpretation - the best I have seen is by Conche. Yes I have made some headway and believe that the fragments are a comment on the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad. The thrust of the two works is very similar and Heraclitus illuminates the basic non-dual thrust of the upanishad. Incidentally there is nothing "mystic" about either of these works - H. can not be interpreted in this vain. I have now found other texts for the Upanishad which are totally non-dualist. Unfortunately not available in ebook format. There is a translation by Swami Madhavananda which includes a commentary by Sankaracarya published by Advaita at a very reasonable price. Best regards |
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I've been wanting to post about Seneca for weeks, but somehow never get around to it. I'm still reading the Letters to Lucilius. Maybe some day I'll find the time
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I've been looking for an ebook edition of Either/Or, but I've only found Amazon not available to the USA. Sigh. Doesn't even matter that I have a Nook.
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