Vegetarian?

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

What future generations?

The future generations of farm animals that wouldn't exist, because we prevented the current generation breeding.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

And Sparrow, you also make sure you clothes don't contain leather or wool? Because leather is a by-product of the meat industry...

Yep that's true, and I do - but I'm not claiming to be a saint.

I doubt ereaders (like my CyBook) are completely animal free on close inspection.

[carld]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

And Sparrow, you also make sure you clothes don't contain leather or wool? Because leather is a by-product of the meat industry...

I've been doing it for 30 years. Dress shoes are problematic but other than that, not so hard.

[carld]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I doubt ereaders (like my CyBook) are completely animal free on close inspection.

Probably not. Animals products are in so many things, and found in so many unsuspected places it's literally impossible to live a completely vegan life. However, perfection isn't required, we do the best we can.

[Xiaopanda]

Originally Posted by Laz116

No need for a hard hat, I think. It's true that vegetarians need to think a bit more about what they eat, so they get their intake of protein.

When that is said I think it is fair to say that the average vegetarian is probably eating healthier than the average meat-eater. Partly ....

Kinda agree, at least short term, though there are a host of nutritional issues that plague very long term Vegans, but I hazard a guess it's mainly when they don't do their sums right....

I used to be a nurse, so I have actually seen it in real life.

I wanna ask, too...If your vegitarian, ARE you taking supliments, and do you know where the supliments are sourced from?

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Xiaopanda

I wanna ask, too...If your vegitarian, ARE you taking supliments, and do you know where the supliments are sourced from?

I take a daily supplement - it's got 'suitable for vegetarians' on the container.

[griffonwing]

OK Zelda, here we go. This is my own recipe, altered from an old one I found. Never had a complaint yet.

Rum Coconut Carrot Cake

cake mix

• 2 cups - Flour (all-purpose)
• 2 tsp. - Baking Soda
• 1 tsp. - Baking Powder
• 1 tsp. - Salt
• 1 tsp. - Cinnamon
• 1 tsp. - Nutmeg
• 1 tsp. - Allspice
• 1.75 cups - White Sugar
• 1 cup - Canola Oil
• 3 eggs
• 1 tsp. - Vanilla
• 2-3 cups shredded carrots
• 1 cup - Sweetened Coconut Flakes
• 1 cup - Crushed Pineapple - drained
• 1 cup - Chopped Black Walnuts

frosting

• 3 cups - Powdered Sugar (all-purpose)
• 4 oz - Cream Cheese (pref Philadelphia)- softened
• 1 stick - butter (not margerine)- softened
• 1 tsp. - Vanilla Extract
• .5 tsp. - Coconut Extract
• 2 shots of Capt Morgan Private Stock Rum

You'll need 1 large mixing bowl, and 2 medium size bowls.

In one medium-size bowl, sift the flour, baking soda, baking powder, salt, cinnamon, nutmeg and allspice. Mix well and set to the side.

In the large bowl, add canola oil, white sugar and eggs. Beat well.
Add the vanilla - beat. Add carrots, coconut, and walnuts - beat. Slowly add the flour mixture, beat until smooth. Add in the drained crushed pineapple, and fold them in with a spoon.

Pour the batter mix into a greased 9x13 cake pan (or two 9x13 half-cake pans). Bake a 350 for 40-45 minutes (or 30-35 minutes of you have 2 half-thick cake pans). Cool the cake completely.

FROSTING:
In a medium bowl, add the butter and cream cheese, beat. Add the vanilla, beat. Add the RUM. This will naturally make the frosting mix MUCH more liquidy. Add the powdered sugar slowly. If, after 3 cups, it's still a bit too liquidy, add more powdered sugar, 1/4 cup at a time. Frost the cake(s), the refrigerate.

This will make more than enough icing for one cake, which is why I prefer to make 2 smaller cakes. If you only bake one cake, any remaining icing would go very well as a strawberry dip, or pineapple chunk dip. YUM.

Remember, the more rum you add to the icing, the more powdered sugar you need to thicken it.

Enjoy.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by griffonwing

OK Zelda, here we go. This is my own recipe, altered from an old one I found. Never had a complaint yet.

Rum Coconut Carrot Cake

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Enjoy.

Looks great, but can you replace the rum with something non-alcoholic? I've never have alcohol at home as I don't like it.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by Xiaopanda

Kinda agree, at least short term, though there are a host of nutritional issues that plague very long term Vegans, but I hazard a guess it's mainly when they don't do their sums right....

I used to be a nurse, so I have actually seen it in real life.

I wanna ask, too...If your vegitarian, ARE you taking supliments, and do you know where the supliments are sourced from?

I'm not a vegetarian, my wife is. I don't really know whether she takes any supplements.

EDIT: I suppose it must be a lot tougher living as a vegan than a vegetarian. Dairy products go a long way to cover what you're missing from meat, I think.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Meat has a higher nutritional value than plants. Just because humans started to eat meat, they started to make tools (to hunt the animals, instead of only scavenging them) and they had to start cooperating to hunt the animals down (if you wanted more than rabbits). These things increased the brain size and thus intelligence of early man.

About our guts, ever seen a pure plant eater? Ever seen the bellies on those animals? Our bodies aren't designed to extract as much nutrition as possible from vegetables. But they are also not designed to for pure meat either. Which, in my eyes, is enough evidence that we are not supposed to be vegetarians by nature.

Now, some people may profit by it, as HappyMartin apparently does, or people may feel uncomfortable by eating something that came from a walking entity (plants do live too, you know), but don't tell me we're made vegetarians, because we aren't.

But most importantly, let the people who like to eat meat do what they want and let the people who don't also do what they want.

I do agree that bio-industry should become more animal friendly though. Animals have a right to go outside and smell the wind too. Luckily, farmers around here are finally seeing the light... (slowly, but they are farmers, so we don't expect them to change over-night )

I don't tell you we're made anything. I believe that we are omnivores. But I really don't care that much.

As I said I'm more interested in the benefits or problems that arise from living either as a vegetarian or a typical meat-eater in western civilization. Whether something is natural or not, doesn't really mean anything to me. As long as it works.

[griffonwing]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Looks great, but can you replace the rum with something non-alcoholic? I've never have alcohol at home as I don't like it.

Sure, remove the rum, add in a tsp of rum extract, and knock the powdered sugar back to 2 cups.

The rum is there only for the flavor, not the alcohol content. 2 shots of rum split amongst a dozen (or 2 dozen if you use 2 cakes) won't have any effect on anyone.

Well, normally. If you have a rare case of having some condition that has an overblown reaction to alcohol, then you might feel a little buzz. But only if you eat a LOT of the cake.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Well, no, actually. I just don't have any evidence to support the argument either way so I didn't want to make any unsubstantiated claims.

Let me substantiate it then, although I thought it common knowledge that meat calories was more energyexpensive than plant calories:

one kcal of lamb (the type of meat which uses most fossil energy) uses 57 kcal of fossil energy.

one kcal of broiler chicken (the type of meat which uses the least fossil energy) uses 4 kcal.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/660S/T2


"To produce 1 kcal of plant protein requires an input of about 2.2 kcal of fossil energy"

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/660S#SEC2

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by griffonwing

Sure, remove the rum, add in a tsp of rum extract, and knock the powdered sugar back to 2 cups.

The rum is there only for the flavor, not the alcohol content. 2 shots of rum split amongst a dozen (or 2 dozen if you use 2 cakes) won't have any effect on anyone.

Well, normally. If you have a rare case of having some condition that has an overblown reaction to alcohol, then you might feel a little buzz. But only if you eat a LOT of the cake.

I know the alcohol content is next to nothing in each portion, but to buy rum just for a cake goes a bit too far

[griffonwing]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I know the alcohol content is next to nothing in each portion, but to buy rum just for a cake goes a bit too far

All depends. If you bake the cake, it ppl keep asking you to make another, you just might want to invest 20 bucks and get a bottle of the Private Stock

Alternatively, you might be able to get one of those mini-bottles, like the kind they stock in hotel rooms or airplanes. Not sure of those prices though.

Call up a local 5-star hotel and see if they'd part with a bottle

[disney_mommy]

Let me start by saying I am a strict vegetarian - I do not eat or wear anything that has a face. I have been this way for nearing ten years and I have not looked back once. I strive to be a vegan, but it is hard for me personally.

I do it for ethical reasons only.

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i don't proselytize and i get very annoyed by people who try to convert me, particularly with such spurious arguments as "but they're just animals / fish / birds, they're MADE to be eaten !"

Zelda, my favorite anti-vegetarian reasoning is "that's why god made animals!"