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Old 05-07-2009, 06:12 AM   #121
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Couldn't most of you just be honest to yourselves and tell what's really bugging you?

You want to use something which is not yours. For free. Now. Period.
On the contrary - it would be public domain from the start. The author retains a temporary monopoly on it only due to copyright laws, which exist only to supposedly promote creativity. That such a monopoly could be transferrable to other people, or called "property" is a sick joke.

Just a few quotes from the people who argue the case better than myself - and as a history lesson.

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It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs. But while it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all, it would be singular to admit a natural and even an hereditary right to inventors. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it; but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from any body. Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Isaac McPherson, Monticello, August 13, 1813

Also, speeches of Thomas Babbington Macaulay in British Parliament, 1841:
http://baens-universe.com/articles/McCauley_copyright
http://www.baen.com/library/palaver4.htm
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:23 AM   #122
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Just more evidence that, while he was a great writer, many of Thomas Jefferson's ideas were bad ones. I'll take Adams over Jefferson 6 days a week, and Hamilton on Sundays.
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Just more evidence that, while he was a great writer, many of Thomas Jefferson's ideas were bad ones. I'll take Adams over Jefferson 6 days a week, and Hamilton on Sundays.
Just more evidence that your ides are bad ones....
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Just more evidence that your ides are bad ones....
Now, now, play nice. No personal attacks please.

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