Kindlers Boycott $10+ ebooks

[harryE123]

I will personally never buy ANY ebook if the dont give me the print book as well, or vice versa. I can't understand how people are in the dark about this and our not vocal in their opposition to the stone ages of eboks we are living now much as we were for mp3s that were once far worse than cd quality and drm'ed. I can attribute it solely to the fact that by far the most people are ignorant and unintelligent, the fomer of course is excusable and it happens to everyone of us, the latter is something we got to stomach.

The big publishing house want to sell me content without the physical artifact? Are they joking? It should be only up to me to choose to decline the printed book and only accept the ebook, I should have the option.

What they want is to become another recording industry where they will be forcing us to pay triple and quadruple for vinyl, then cds, then mp3s essentially getting the same songs and artists...or the film/tv industries doing the same with vhs/dvd/blue rays. There is absolutely to rationale for not offering me the e-version of a printed book I am already purchasing, The cost to the them is subminimal, and since I am buying the content in print I should also have the choice of having the electronic version to use in my reader of choice.

I consider people buying ebooks solely as being taken advantage of. Firstly the way one relates to, overviews, reads and catalogs non physical books is like music very problematic. You got to have the physical book too, even if you never carry it around, it should be your choice.

To the rest who have spent their hard earned $$ buying expensive data encoded diodes passing off as books and have not been given the physical printed book too, allow me to say they are big, big time suckers, and it will take a long time to bring this situation with books into a fair level if they keep acting like suckers....

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by harryE123

I will personally never buy ANY ebook if the dont give me the print book as well, or vice versa. I can't understand how people are in the dark about this and our not vocal in their opposition to the stone ages of eboks we are living now much as we were for mp3s that were once far worse than cd quality and drm'ed. I can attribute it solely to the fact that by far the most people are ignorant and unintelligent, the fomer of course is excusable and it happens to everyone of us, the latter is something we got to stomach.

The big publishing house want to sell me content without the physical artifact? Are they joking? It should be only up to me to choose to decline the printed book and only accept the ebook, I should have the option.

What they want is to become another recording industry where they will be forcing us to pay triple and quadruple for vinyl, then cds, then mp3s essentially getting the same songs and artists...or the film/tv industries doing the same with vhs/dvd/blue rays. There is absolutely to rationale for not offering me the e-version of a printed book I am already purchasing, The cost to the them is subminimal, and since I am buying the content in print I should also have the choice of having the electronic version to use in my reader of choice.

I consider people buying ebooks solely as being taken advantage of. Firstly the way one relates to, overviews, reads and catalogs non physical books is like music very problematic. You got to have the physical book too, even if you never carry it around, it should be your choice.

To the rest who have spent their hard earned $$ buying expensive data encoded diodes passing off as books and have not been given the physical printed book too, allow me to say they are big, big time suckers, and it will take a long time to bring this situation with books into a fair level if they keep acting like suckers....

One of the main reasons I love ebooks is that I don't have a pbook copy. I certainly don't feel like a sucker. Why would I want a pbook copy when I have an ebook copy? If it's something I want to hang on to for a long time, sure, I'll buy the pbook instead of the ebook. But it is senseless to buy both.

[sirbruce]

Originally Posted by harryE123

I will personally never buy ANY ebook if the dont give me the print book as well, or vice versa.

So isn't your ebook library rather, ummm, sparse?

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

One of the main reasons I love ebooks is that I don't have a pbook copy. I certainly don't feel like a sucker. Why would I want a pbook copy when I have an ebook copy? If it's something I want to hang on to for a long time, sure, I'll buy the pbook instead of the ebook. But it is senseless to buy both.

Oh is it? Let me first break the news to you that almost all suckers don't feel like ones. The publishing houses will love you however for this mentality and throw a red carpet for you much like the film industry for the suckers who have triple bought films in vhs/dvd/blue ray. Btw, you totally missed my point too...If you don't want the pbook then decline it, but it's ridiculous if someone wants to have a printed book to have to pay almost DOUBLE to get the ebook too which is actually costing close to zip to the publishing house, just so they can have some mobility and lesser weight in their travel bags. This is the definition of a rip off. People paying double for what they already own. Enjoy your type of thinking, like the morons who bought triple drm'ed mp3s way back when that they couldn't even play in their own home stereos...

Originally Posted by sirbruce

So isn't your ebook library rather, ummm, sparse?

Not really, I have a lot of non copyrighted, or expired cp books, and I have infringed copyright on many of them as the vast majority of video and music and now book reading public is doing and will keep doing until they offer a fair deal. That's how change is always brought upon. Of course I still support and buy the books I want printed and I buy a lot of them so most of the books I have "infringed" copyright on I already have in printed format. WHY IS IT ILLEGAL FOR ME TO OWN A .PDF I DID NOT PURCHASE OF A BOOK I ALREADY HAVE IN PRINT, I ALREADY HAVE THE CONTENT, I HAVE PAID FOR THE CONTENT. But that's what they are essentially saying in their twisted logic...

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by harryE123

I will personally never buy ANY ebook if the dont give me the print book as well, or vice versa. I can't understand how people are in the dark about this and our not vocal in their opposition to the stone ages of eboks we are living now much as we were for mp3s that were once far worse than cd quality and drm'ed. I can attribute it solely to the fact that by far the most people are ignorant and unintelligent, the fomer of course is excusable and it happens to everyone of us, the latter is something we got to stomach.

The big publishing house want to sell me content without the physical artifact? Are they joking? It should be only up to me to choose to decline the printed book and only accept the ebook, I should have the option.

What they want is to become another recording industry where they will be forcing us to pay triple and quadruple for vinyl, then cds, then mp3s essentially getting the same songs and artists...or the film/tv industries doing the same with vhs/dvd/blue rays. There is absolutely to rationale for not offering me the e-version of a printed book I am already purchasing, The cost to the them is subminimal, and since I am buying the content in print I should also have the choice of having the electronic version to use in my reader of choice.

I consider people buying ebooks solely as being taken advantage of. Firstly the way one relates to, overviews, reads and catalogs non physical books is like music very problematic. You got to have the physical book too, even if you never carry it around, it should be your choice.

To the rest who have spent their hard earned $$ buying expensive data encoded diodes passing off as books and have not been given the physical printed book too, allow me to say they are big, big time suckers, and it will take a long time to bring this situation with books into a fair level if they keep acting like suckers....

I'm supposed to take seriously a post from someone who can neither spell, form a coherent sentence, nor use English correctly?

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by harryE123

Oh is it? Let me first break the news to you that almost all suckers don't feel like ones. The publishing houses will love you however for this mentality and throw a red carpet for you much like the film industry for the suckers who have triple bought films in vhs/dvd/blue ray. Btw, you totally missed my point too...If you don't want the pbook then decline it, but it's ridiculous if someone wants to have a printed book to have to pay almost DOUBLE to get the ebook too which is actually costing close to zip to the publishing house, just so they can have some mobility and lesser weight in their travel bags. This is the definition of a rip off. People paying double for what they already own. Enjoy your type of thinking, like the morons who bought triple drm'ed mp3s way back when that they couldn't even play in their own home stereos...


Not really, I have a lot of non copyrighted, or expired cp books, and I have infringed copyright on many of them as the vast majority of video and music and now book reading public is doing and will keep doing until they offer a fair deal. That's how change is always brought upon. Of course I still support and buy the books I want printed and I buy a lot of them so most of the books I have "infringed" copyright on I already have in printed format. WHY IS IT ILLEGAL FOR ME TO OWN A .PDF I DID NOT PURCHASE OF A BOOK I ALREADY HAVE IN PRINT, I ALREADY HAVE THE CONTENT, I HAVE PAID FOR THE CONTENT. But that's what they are essentially saying in their twisted logic...

I don't pay "double" for my ebooks. I always pay less (and sometimes a good amount less) than the pbook.

As for the ebook costing zip to the publishing house, you do realize that a good majority of the money you spend on a book goes to royalties to the author, and the publisher's fees, not the actualy cost of printing?

You are more than welcome to create your own ebook copy from a pbook, as long as you don't distribute it, as far as I understand.

And following your logic, if you have a book in hardcover you should be able to get the paperback for free. You don't think there aren't costs associated with making an ebook?

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

I'm supposed to take seriously a post from someone who can neither spell, form a coherent sentence, nor use English correctly?

In your infinite wisdom of course you assume everyone is a native english speaker. Let alone that my sole spelling error seems to be mistyping former. I would look like a right fool had I been in your case. It's also great to hear that you don't have any arguments at all.

[sirbruce]

Originally Posted by harryE123

Not really, I have a lot of non copyrighted, or expired cp books, and I have infringed copyright on many of them as the vast majority of video and music and now book reading public is doing and will keep doing until they offer a fair deal. That's how change is always brought upon. Of course I still support and buy the books I want printed and I buy a lot of them so most of the books I have "infringed" copyright on I already have in printed format.

So the "or vice versa" part of your sentence was wrong. You *won't* buy ebooks if you don't get the pbook for free automatically, but you *will* buy pbooks when you don't get the ebook for free automatically. You just then go out and pirate the ebook.

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I don't pay "double" for my ebooks. I always pay less (and sometimes a good amount less) than the pbook.

As for the ebook costing zip to the publishing house, you do realize that a good majority of the money you spend on a book goes to royalties to the author, and the publisher's fees, not the actualy cost of printing?

You are more than welcome to create your own ebook copy from a pbook, as long as you don't distribute it, as far as I understand.

And following your logic, if you have a book in hardcover you should be able to get the paperback for free. You don't think there aren't costs associated with making an ebook?

a. you would pay double if like I said, and please start replying to what I said for a change, you bought the printed book and wanted to have the ebook too for portability and infrequent use.

b. Lol. That's actually in favour of my argument what you are saying. If the actual cost of printing is the least of their expenses, then all the more so for the electronic version which is the closest thing to being free in terms of "printing" expenses. All the more so for them to give an electronic version when you 've already paid them the rights of the book in full with the printed one, since it costs them nothing.

c. I have created some e-copies of books but it's way, way too time consuming. They don't allow me though to own a pdf version they have created even if I own the printed verion. I assume you consider this unfair too.

d. No the logic doesn't translate to hardcover/paperabacks because a. they are separate physical items, and b. they are much, much, much more expensive than e-books. You mean to say, "you don't think there are costs associated with making an ebook?". Yeas of course they are, but they are minimal. I wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar or so on top of the actual physical book to have an ecopy too, but paying almost double is a rip off.

Anyway you people want to be taken for the proverbial ride...go ahead...of course you are making matters worse for the informed minority but that's the way it always is...remember though how people used to buy crap 128 kbs mp3s drmed that they could only play in a couple or devices and they would lock themselves out of their own music some years ago...

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by sirbruce

So the "or vice versa" part of your sentence was wrong. You *won't* buy ebooks if you don't get the pbook for free automatically, but you *will* buy pbooks when you don't get the ebook for free automatically. You just then go out and pirate the ebook.

Ah, I am the bad guy now in your twisted logic? For "pirating" a book I already own, just so I can have a lighter bag and travel with my books and read them in my ereader? The books I own? Great logic. What publishing house to you work at? Do you think all people are morons? That you are going to force them to quadruple buy the same book? What happens if a newer reader comes out or a better ebook format, you AGAIN force the people to buy the same book in another format...much like the recording industry...

Btw, yes the vice versa part was innacurate, in that I am forced to buy the printed book out of my love for reading and books without them giving me the ebook too, and I am allowing myself to be taken advantage of thus.

[stoogeswoman]

Not meaning to jump into anyone's fray here, but ...

FWIW, I am fully aware that when I purchase an ebook I'm really renting it, since the format will probably change in the next few years. Guess what? That's OK with me. Any book I want to have "forever", I buy a paper copy (aka "collectible").

Otherwise I just assume I will be buying it in a different format someday. Or (gasp!) not buying it again at all! Who knows what my tastes in books will be 5 years from now? Last year I was into all the hot new knitting books; this year you couldn't pay me to reread (much less repurchase) one of them, in any format.

Life is like that. Things always change. Just roll with it.

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by stoogeswoman

Not meaning to jump into anyone's fray here, but ...

FWIW, I am fully aware that when I purchase an ebook I'm really renting it, since the format will probably change in the next few years. Guess what? That's OK with me. Any book I want to have "forever", I buy a paper copy (aka "collectible").

Otherwise I just assume I will be buying it in a different format someday. Or (gasp!) not buying it again at all! Who knows what my tastes in books will be 5 years from now? Last year I was into all the hot new knitting books; this year you couldn't pay me to reread (much less repurchase) one of them, in any format.

Life is like that. Things always change. Just roll with it.

Where does that go against what I am saying? I too buy printed books to keep, I just don't want them forcing me to pay almost double to have an ecopy of them that they are going to make unreadable/unusable anyway with a future format change. If you buy ebooks knowingly that they are taking advantage of you much like in music where we've triple and quadruple bought our fav artists you are a step above the gullible who do so unwittingly for sure, but that doesn't mean that are getting a fair deal.

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by harryE123

a. you would pay double if like I said, and please start replying to what I said for a change, you bought the printed book and wanted to have the ebook too for portability and infrequent use.

b. Lol. That's actually in favour of my argument what you are saying. If the actual cost of printing is the least of their expenses, then all the more so for the electronic version which is the closest thing to being free in terms of "printing" expenses. All the more so for them to give an electronic version when you 've already paid them the rights of the book in full with the printed one, since it costs them nothing.

c. I have created some e-copies of books but it's way, way too time consuming. They don't allow me though to own a pdf version they have created even if I own the printed verion. I assume you consider this unfair too.

d. No the logic doesn't translate to hardcover/paperabacks because a. they are separate physical items, and b. they are much, much, much more expensive than e-books. You mean to say, "you don't think there are costs associated with making an ebook?". Yeas of course they are, but they are minimal. I wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar or so on top of the actual physical book to have an ecopy too, but paying almost double is a rip off.

Anyway you people want to be taken for the proverbial ride...go ahead...of course you are making matters worse for the informed minority but that's the way it always is...remember though how people used to buy crap 128 kbs mp3s drmed that they could only play in a couple or devices and they would lock themselves out of their own music some years ago...

There's so much to argue with that I don't even know where to start.

a. I'm assuming you mean I would pay double if I bought both the ebook and the pbook. Well, obviously.

b. But it's not free to make an ebook. Royalties change with ebook copies. Plus you have to pay for converting the text, which especially if it's OCRed can get expensive. A lot of times they also have to repay for cover art, which depending on the contract is not included for an ebook.

c. So if it's hard for you, what makes you think it's easy for them? Except for more recent titles, many older books have been scanned then converted. If they spent money and time creating that book, yes, you should pay for it. And PDF is a terrible format, by the way.

d. How is it different? Just because it's digital doesn't mean work didn't go into creating it. Do you think it costs a lot of money to create a paperback book? It doesn't. With any book you buy the majority of the costs is fees, not production.

But here's the deal. Getting a free ebook with a pbook I buy is the least of my worries. I don't usually buy pbooks, and when I do it's because the ebook doesn't exist yet legally. I have a hard time believing that a large number of people want both. Ebooks are still in their infancy, and you want publishers to take on MORE costs and lost revenue in a medium that most publishers don't take seriously yet?

This is just a battle that does not need to be fought yet, if not at all.

[lilac_jive]

And, for the record, I have not "double bought" on any books, or music or any other digital media. Ever.

You should say pay twice, not double. Otherwise you're going to confuse people.

[sirbruce]

Originally Posted by harryE123

Ah, I am the bad guy now in your twisted logic?

No need to be defensive; I've pirated ebooks too. But not based on the same rationale that you do. I was just trying to clarify what you meant.