Did you buy one of the new Kobos (or do you plan to)?

[martinot]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

The Aura One had MASSIVE lighting problems from the moment it was released.

It was restricted to the functioning of the warm light, probably because it was the first time that feature had been implemented on an e-reader. They used RGB LEDs instead of the amber LEDs I believe are used in all subsequent models that have incorporated the warm light feature.

If you were lucky, you got a darker gradient on the lower half of the screen with light green blotches in one corner. If you were unlucky, you got full on green and red blotches coming from the bottom edge.

Don't get me wrong; some people got uniform warm lighting, but I have to believe it is the worst implemented of any modern comfortlight by a significant margin.

There are way too many posts of people returning three and four devices trying to find one unaffected for me to believe less than 50% came without some irregularity.

This was exactly the same problem I had. It was really bad on mine. Smaller variations in backlight I would not care about, but on my devices it was really irritating in my face. So much that I no longer enjoyed using the A1 and reading books in the dark.

Apart from the big problems I had with the natural backlight, it was a truley awsome device and a great e-reader (that was why I gave it so many chanses to find an acceptable one).

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...=284795&page=3

That poll would seem to indicate you’re overstating the issue. Yes several people had issues but a clear majority had zero issues. That majority grows when you factor in that you could vote for multiple answers, thus inflating the results for spots in various corners vs the ‘no’ option which obviously would be exclusionary to the other results.

Also factor in that people are more likely to voice complaints than to say everything is fine.

Though I’ll grant I was mistaken that it had no issues. Clearly it had some. On the plus side Kobo rectified the issue in subsequent models.

As I've tried explaining (unsuccessfully) many times in these kinds of discussions, the bias effect works in precisely the opposite way you're assuming it does. It's much much more likely that the poll results significantly understate the frequency of problems because people self-justify their purchases after the fact by rationalizing away problems in products they own.


This is why amazon reviews, for instance, are mostly useless. There are countless products that are actually FAKE (ie: cheap knock-offs of an original) that have nearly perfect reviews. This is a consumer phenomenon shady sellers knowingly exploit to give their scams apparent credibility.

We simply don't know the rate of screen problems on the Aura One. I could be overestimating it...but the evidence suggests strongly to me I'm not.

More than the poll data, I find the number of posters who returned 3 or 4 devices to be a better indicator. These are people who decided they weren't going to rationalize away irregularities before they made their initial purchase, who still very much wanted a Kobo Aura One, but simply couldn't get one after multiple efforts.

There were a lot of posters who returned their first Aura One thinking they would get a better one who simply decided to keep the second flawed device because they concluded the problems were inherent to the manufacturing process.

[trekk]

I exchanged my A1 multiple times. Each device had very bad warm lighting. Of course this doesn't mean there were no devices with better screens out there. I was just not able to get one

Originally Posted by MGlitch

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...=284795&page=3

That poll would seem to indicate you’re overstating the issue. Yes several people had issues but a clear majority had zero issues.

I wouldn't say there was a massive problem with the A1, but the poll clearly shows a tendency. Personally I find roughly 40 % of Kobo A1 devices with some irregularity too much.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

As I've tried explaining (unsuccessfully) many times in these kinds of discussions, the bias effect works in precisely the opposite way you're assuming it does. It's much much more likely that the poll results significantly understate the frequency of problems because people self-justify their purchases after the fact by rationalizing away problems in products they own.

You’ve explained it plenty yes, and given no actual sources despite numerous requests.

However I’m not talking about your precious bias effect. It’s a known fact that people who don’t experience a good time with a service or product are more likely to speak out than those for whom the service or product performed as expected. The service and retail industries both utilize this in how they approach customers initially and how they try to resolve issues.

You understand that both bias effect and the above aren’t mutually exclusive I trust.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by trekk

I exchanged my A1 multiple times. Each device had very bad warm lighting. Of course this doesn't mean there were no devices with better screens out there. I was just not able to get one



I wouldn't say there was a massive problem with the A1, but the poll clearly shows a tendency. Personally I find roughly 40 % of Kobo A1 devices with some irregularity too much.

Yes, my quibble was more semantic than anything else. You and I agree that it’s not massive, but that there was a problem. Something I had admitted to forgetting about. Probably because my KA1 was one that worked properly.

[Barty]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

My LEDs were yellow tinged with green. With no natural light.

It's this way with the Libra 2, too. It goes from green tint to yellow in one click. I want a more neutral white in between.

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

As I've tried explaining (unsuccessfully) many times in these kinds of discussions, the bias effect works in precisely the opposite way you're assuming it does. It's much much more likely that the poll results significantly understate the frequency of problems because people self-justify their purchases after the fact by rationalizing away problems in products they own.


This is why amazon reviews, for instance, are mostly useless. There are countless products that are actually FAKE (ie: cheap knock-offs of an original) that have nearly perfect reviews. This is a consumer phenomenon shady sellers knowingly exploit to give their scams apparent credibility.

We simply don't know the rate of screen problems on the Aura One. I could be overestimating it...but the evidence suggests strongly to me I'm not.

More than the poll data, I find the number of posters who returned 3 or 4 devices to be a better indicator. These are people who decided they weren't going to rationalize away irregularities before they made their initial purchase, who still very much wanted a Kobo Aura One, but simply couldn't get one after multiple efforts.

There were a lot of posters who returned their first Aura One thinking they would get a better one who simply decided to keep the second flawed device because they concluded the problems were inherent to the manufacturing process.

You got any data to back this up?

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by Karellen

Yes, I purchased a new Kobo a few days ago. My last ereader was a Kindle Gen 2

I am still loading ebooks and playing with settings to set it up exactly as I want.

I am really liking it. I love what you can do with book Series, which is really important to me. The Kindle had no series sorting for sideloaded books, and for purchased books it performed pretty poorly by missing a lot of books that were part of the series, but were not added. eg two of the Harry Potter books weren't sorted into the series.

I must be doing something wrong, but seems to take quite a few steps to add series books. Transfer book, unplug and reconnect, adjust series and order number. Not sure why that does not happen automatically when sideloading from calibre.

Just starting to look at Collections. I can't figure out a way to add books to collections manually while the device is plugged in to Calibre. I can see how to do it on the actual ereader, but if I want to manually add a few more books to the collection, I can't see how it is done. I thought clicking on the Collections field in Calibre view would be enough. I can't see any obvious "Manage Collections" button anywhere.

I am looking forward to the reading experience. I guess coming from such an old ereader, anything will be great

I agree that kindle collections for sideloaded nbooks at least is below abysmal. I also find organizing books on a kobo via calibre less than intuitive. It was a lot easier on a sony. On a kindle, i installed koreader and dumped books inside folders, which is the simplest approach and works just fine for my needs. I now do it an onyx and its even easier. I dont want to go back to messing with calibre collections, not that its calibres fault.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

You got any data to back this up?

Nope. It doesn't exist. It's my responsibility you're ignorant of an entire field of social science and my job to educate you.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Nope. It doesn't exist. It's my responsibility you're ignorant of an entire field of social science and my job to educate you.

Do we also count the number of people who were banned from returning their Paperwhites in hopes of getting that elusive perfect unit? From the messages I saw, it took from 5 to 7 returns to trigger.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Nope. It doesn't exist. It's my responsibility you're ignorant of an entire field of social science and my job to educate you.

Just as it’s not our fault you’re ignorant of other psychological studies which factor against your claims.

You’re clinging to a single study and pretending it’s the string theory of reviews.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by graycyn

Currently in the "current readers are fine" camp.

But, I do like the white color on Libra 2. But no flush screen, no Drobox, sigh.

If you look at the PW5 vs the Libra2,you'll find that not having a flush screen is actually better. The PW5 has a flush screen and it's muddy looking in comparison to the Libra 2. The PW3 vs the PW4. The PW3 not flush and better screen then the flush PW4. So overall, not flush is giving a better screen.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

So overall, not flush is giving a better screen.

Nope. The flush Oasis 3 is much better than the sunken Libra 1, and the flush Voyage still has one of the best screens of all ereaders.

So there are other factors besides screen placement, like glass vs plastic.

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Nope. It doesn't exist. It's my responsibility you're ignorant of an entire field of social science and my job to educate you.

Woh defensive! I was just asking a question.

[Uncle Robin]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Woh defensive! I was just asking a question.

Which is not permitted. They are omniscient and infallible and challenging them or asking for proof is an unforgivable lack of faith in the wisdom they so altruistically share.