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The very fact that you can buy into the voting process (becoming a member of Worldcon is rather easy) would suggest that you are wrong.
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At least I certainly always remember it as being awarded by the fans and the Nebula being awarded by the writers, but I'll admit it's been awhile and was probably before this new-fangled interwebs thingy and I may have got it wrong - it was always worth reading anything that won both. ![]() For some reason (possibly sad puppy related) the reading public no longer seem to qualify as fans. ![]() |
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I'll admit when Hugo "slates" started the intarwebs a-buzzing, I thought more nominators (lowering the price--maybe even one low price could buy years of nominating/voting rights) would alleviate the problem. Now I'm not so sure. I don't think thousands of honest--these are my favorites--votes will be much of a stumbling block for a determined bloc like the Puppies. In all likelihood, the additional numbers will probably increase the sheer number of books being nominated; making it harder for any of them to gain any traction "organically," and making it no more difficult whatsoever for an organized group to push their slate.
In short: I believe diluting the organic nominations (less total votes each for more total titles) will actually make it easier for a bloc to get the number of votes necessary for their slate to sweep whole categories. In my opinion, the only way to effectively neutralize an organized bloc of voters is with another organized bloc of voters. Which is why my advice would be to give the Hugos/Worldcon to the Puppies and start a new award. With the two year process to get a rule-change through, they'll never "fix" the problem that way. The Hugos have ALWAYS been there for the taking (via their own stagnant rules); and now they got took. Game over. It's meaningless/mediocre titles or meaningless "No Award"s from now on. Time to cut bait. |
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Fans here refers to members of sf fandom. Which Wikipeida tries to describe as: Quote:
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But the problem is that it is a slate and they told people to nominate exactly as they said. |
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I honestly don't see it as a problem. Anyone is free to completely ignore their recommendations. It's a free vote: if someone wants to vote for a "slate" they are perfectly entitled to do so, just as you or anyone else are entitled to suggest one.
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Yes, you have a moral that I find abhorrent. And not surprising that you do not see anything wrong in voting on a slate with the aim of destroying the price. Nothing that is legal seems to be immoral for you. And a lot of thing that most people think is pretty moral is for you very immoral just because it might be illegal.
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Do you understand what a slate is here? The slates was presented and people were told to vote exactly according to the slate regardless of what they thought about the work on the slate. Slate voting is also totally against the spirit of the price, it is immoral with respect to how the price works. Please read up on this and think a bit before saying more stupid things. The price have worked because people independently have read books and nominated the books they really like.
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I understand perfectly what these two groups of people have done and I support their right to do it. |
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I've recently read that the person running next year's Sad Puppy campaign is intending to not call it a slate, will list the top 10 suggestions for each category, and make all suggestions available for viewing. If it had been done that way this year, there would have been no outrage. |
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Yes, but it is possible to think that what they did was immoral and that they still legally/following-the-rules had a right to do it. That you do not see that what they did was not moral at all and destructive is just absurd. |
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