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Old 08-01-2012, 06:12 AM   #121
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I have not read LOTR I have attempted to watch the movies with no success. Everybody in my house loved the movies and my husband has read the books. They would call it YA. I just found it a yawn. But then I found Harry Potter the same and I did read the first book to my kids. They liked the movies better.
LOTR and Harry Potter are just to child like for my tastes.
In no conceivable way is LOTR "YA", any more than the Anglo-Saxon epics which Tolkien studied as his "day job" and was, in a sense, attempting to copy in LOTR, are children's stories. LOTR is written by a scholar, for an adult audience, dealing with adult themes.
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Agreed. Unfortunately a lot of the people never read the silmarillion after LotR which is helpful if not necessary to judge the depth of the whole. Using only the hobbit as reference stops one from widening and deepening the view of the whole concept.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:34 AM   #123
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I may have a very different view on what is adult, so we will have to agree to disagree

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Old 08-01-2012, 08:42 AM   #124
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I was about 12 when I read LotR, I think. That seems the right age, to me.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:48 AM   #125
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You can read LOTR as a straightforward adventure story as a 12-year-old, I agree. But there's a heck of a lot in it that you aren't going to understand, or be interested in, at that age.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:18 AM   #126
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You can read LOTR as a straightforward adventure story as a 12-year-old, I agree. But there's a heck of a lot in it that you aren't going to understand, or be interested in, at that age.
But isn't that true for most adventure stories?

I've reread some of the stories that I initially read as a child and noticed things that I didn't initially see, but they are children's stories anyway.
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But isn't that true for most adventure stories?

I've reread some of the stories that I initially read as a child and noticed things that I didn't initially see, but they are children's stories anyway.
Certainly. The Narnia stories are perhaps a good example of that. But LOTR is not a children's book; it's an adult book which can be read by children. That's a very different thing.
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I've been trying to remember the name of that book ever since you mentioned Frank Herbert.

I now return to my previous mental stupour
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Certainly. The Narnia stories are perhaps a good example of that. But LOTR is not a children's book; it's an adult book which can be read by children. That's a very different thing.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
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You can read LOTR as a straightforward adventure story as a 12-year-old, I agree. But there's a heck of a lot in it that you aren't going to understand, or be interested in, at that age.
There are certainly things I'm still not interested in.

I'd say LotR almost marked the point where I started reading adult fiction. There wasn't really any teen-oriented fiction then, that I recall, but quite a lot of adult fantasy/SF was clean and relatively wholesome.
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Ah yes, Poor Fannie Mae.

Wasn't sexual though which is why I'd have though Heinlein would have been a better fit.

Thinking about it, if I remember right, John Nornam's Gor books were full of the stuff.
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Oh I forgot about Gor books when thinking of the worst book I have ever read. Even more scary is those who base their lives on those books hehehehe

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I've been trying to remember the name of that book ever since you mentioned Frank Herbert.

I now return to my previous mental stupour
It even has a sequel.

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