Book 'pirate' goes underground after being named by Terry Goodkind

[speakingtohe]

Originally Posted by Xanthe

+1

I agree with this.

I'm also thinking that Goodkind opened himself up nicely for a slander lawsuit. If his only "proof" of piracy was the bragging of the other guy, then he has no hard facts to connect that any copies of the book floating in the ether as having come from that guy's computer and his public "shaming" of the guy could really backfire. Wouldn't be the first time that some guy has claimed to do things that they actually haven't done.

A letter from his legal firm would have been more appropriate.

I'm sure there are going to be people who are going to upload his books to the 'net just out of spite now, so while Goodkind might have gotten some initial satisfaction by venting, I think that he just ensured that any future books will go up as soon as the ARC is released.

Was the guys bragging not a confession. Many people are accused and or convicted on a confession even if they did not actualally do what they confessed to. If a person confesses to a crime and the police lock him up are they then sued for slander whether he did it or not? Often the false confessor is charged with obstruction of justice.

Not saying Goodkind handle it the best way, should have brought charges and let the press handle the publicity. Put him on public record as a criminal if possible. That is what I would do if someone went into my apartment and stole my stereo and was bragging about it in the bar. Apples and oranges perhaps, but both non-violent crimes.

And perhaps if the pirate is unhinged enough he might do terrible things to Goodkind in revenge, are we seeing this guy as the psychopath and as the victim at one and the same time? I am a tad confused on the concept. Is Goodkind the instigator or the victim who had the jam to fight back?

Should we as individuals or as a society let people do as they please with our property, intellectual or otherwise out of fear that they will sue us or worse? Not a big believer in anarchy as the prevalent social structure myself, but maybe it has merit I am unaware of.

Helen

[speakingtohe]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Ignoring the moral issues of piracy for the moment, why does Goodkind care? He's a very successful author and presumably doing very well financially.

For the same reasons I would care if I had lots of food and someone came and took some of it without permission. Or if I had a barbecue unused on my lawn and all of a sudden people started jumping the fence and cooking on it.

Or if I had lots of money and someone took/used some of it without my permission.

Most people are teritorial by instinct and are resentful of someone taking their stuff or even taking liberties of their stuff without permission.

Helen

[spindlegirl]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Was the guys bragging not a confession. Many people are accused and or convicted on a confession even if they did not actualally do what they confessed to. If a person confesses to a crime and the police lock him up are they then sued for slander whether he did it or not? Often the false confessor is charged with obstruction of justice.

Not saying Goodkind handle it the best way, should have brought charges and let the press handle the publicity. Put him on public record as a criminal if possible. That is what I would do if someone went into my apartment and stole my stereo and was bragging about it in the bar. Apples and oranges perhaps, but both non-violent crimes.

And perhaps if the pirate is unhinged enough he might do terrible things to Goodkind in revenge, are we seeing this guy as the psychopath and as the victim at one and the same time? I am a tad confused on the concept. Is Goodkind the instigator or the victim who had the jam to fight back?

Should we as individuals or as a society let people do as they please with our property, intellectual or otherwise out of fear that they will sue us or worse? Not a big believer in anarchy as the prevalent social structure myself, but maybe it has merit I am unaware of.

Helen

It's sort of how I feel. Here in Canada we are encouraged to not take action into our own hands. I don't know if it would be legal to do the hypothetical "John Smith is a thief" marching up and down his house, even if he responded, "darn right, and I'm proud of it." I'd be likely the one with the cuffs on and jailed. What if John Smith claimed he stole my guitar because I had allegedly dropped an anvil on his piano?

But if this "get the posse to shame the guy" actually has real, and longer than short-term results, and less expensively than a valid "crime case" would, then maybe it stands a chance of being taken seriously.

[darksaber35]

Dont you find it ironic that the most wealthy people as well as the richest company's scream about piracy and drag any on they can through the courts.

Apple jumps to mind for one who have have fought SAMSUNG in a number of pointless legal battles that they lost..

[Quexos]

It's not ironic. The rich and powerful also wish to control everything. It's important for them to not only have lots of money but also to have the power to decide right from wrong and through campaigns of different kinds, brainwash most of us into defending their side. The result being all those who buy that propaganda that not going along those corporations and companies is "wrong". They believe what the system wants them to believe ...
So it's not ironic at all.

Originally Posted by darksaber35

Dont you find it ironic that the most wealthy people as well as the richest company's scream about piracy and drag any on they can through the courts.

Apple jumps to mind for one who have have fought SAMSUNG in a number of pointless legal battles that they lost..

[maxiart]

Coincidence or not, for some reason, its only the (to me) mediocre authors who I ever heard complaining. Excepting perhaps for earthsea's author. But otherwise...

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by spindlegirl

It's sort of how I feel. Here in Canada we are encouraged to not take action into our own hands. I don't know if it would be legal to do the hypothetical "John Smith is a thief" marching up and down his house, even if he responded, "darn right, and I'm proud of it." I'd be likely the one with the cuffs on and jailed. What if John Smith claimed he stole my guitar because I had allegedly dropped an anvil on his piano?

But if this "get the posse to shame the guy" actually has real, and longer than short-term results, and less expensively than a valid "crime case" would, then maybe it stands a chance of being taken seriously.

In the US, name and shame has been used by citizen groups and governments to fight prostitution:

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-...400_1_van-nuys

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/pol...ns-online.html

In at least one case, it was used in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_En...#Social_issues

Of course, not everybody approves:

http://carnalnation.com/content/4802...-fighting-tool

Whether it works or not is debatable but the tactic is common.

[ATimson]

Originally Posted by charlesatan

In the middle of the series, he suddenly went overtly political (I thought Animal Farm was a bit heavy-handed but this was worse) and then repeated it in subsequent books (ummm, there was even one book where the protagonist only appeared in the last 20 pages or so).

There was a book where the protagonist only appeared in the last 20 pages - but it was the book right after the first screed, and he took the side trip to introduce new characters, not to do more politicizing.

Knock him for the screeds all you want, just don't call Pillars one of them.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

For the same reasons I would care if I had lots of food and someone came and took some of it without permission. Or if I had a barbecue unused on my lawn and all of a sudden people started jumping the fence and cooking on it.

Or if I had lots of money and someone took/used some of it without my permission.

Most people are teritorial by instinct and are resentful of someone taking their stuff or even taking liberties of their stuff without permission.

Helen

I suggest Mr Goodkind chill out on his yacht with his gin and tonic and stop sweating the small stuff Of course, if he chooses to upset himself, that's his choice.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by Rizla

I suggest Mr Goodkind chill out on his yacht with his gin and tonic and stop sweating the small stuff Of course, if he chooses to upset himself, that's his choice.

I suggest the pirate chill out with his expensive gaming PC, his high speed internet connection and donate all the money he has saved by pirating to a worthy cause. He may also reflect on the fate of those who are not as lucky as he is and actually couldn't afford the $10.

[EowynCarter]

Name and shame feel like a more suitable punishment than say, an oversize fine.

[Quexos]

Sure and why not a good old fashioned lynching while we're at it

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Name and shame feel like a more suitable punishment than say, an oversize fine.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by Quexos

Sure and why not a good old fashioned lynching while we're at it

Well, the real victim, the author, has been lynched verbally many times already in this thread. How dare he stand up for his rights?

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Well, the real victim, the author, has been lynched verbally many times already in this thread. How dare he stand up for his rights?

I don't have a problem with his standing up for his rights; I have a problem with the way he went about it.

[EowynCarter]

What was he supposed to do ?