Book Publishers Force Down Piracy Sites

[spindlegirl]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

DRM is not the worst, but it's just another thing added to the list. If you have better things to complain about than those on the thread, then why do you bother commenting on this?

I agree. This is a form to talk about aspects of reading digital books, and DRM is part of it. There is lots about e-books that I love, and lots that I hate, and it's good to find out where the common ground is, and with whom this common ground is shared.

Yes, there are other things in life (as a whole) that bother me more, but this is not the place to discuss my personal issues.

[speakingtohe]

Sorry if dreadfully off topic.
To me this made sense as a correlation as many of the complaints about DRM are sharing related.

I do think that media obsolescence, planned or not has always been part of media distribution and that it is historically relevant to ebooks and the devices one reads them on.

Helen

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Sorry if dreadfully off topic.
To me this made sense as a correlation as many of the complaints about DRM are sharing related.

Personally I don't care about sharing books or ebooks because hardly no one I know likes to read books in English. But that's just me.

I do care, however, about DRM limiting me to a certain format (and possibly certain reader), preventing me from format shifting or changing the font, adding a table of content or cover for those books that come without one and the like.

And on top of that I don't like the implication that I would become a thief/pirate if they wouldn't hinder me.

Also I can format shift my vinyl records, cassettes and CD to MP3 if I want to. It's not the same as not being able to use programs that are ages old. And even lots of those have been format shifted, Pong for example.

[speakingtohe]

@Jaden

Could you quote where I implied piracy?
I did mention sharing but that was in reference to sharing in the traditional manner.
Helen

[tompe]

Originally Posted by SteveEisenberg

T
-- If a library has a fixed book budget, whether paper or eBook, having to pay PLR expenses is not going to change the amount they spend on books, just how they distribute it. So it doesn't really affect the degree to which I, a lifelong taxpaper and library addict, am a book freeloader.

That is not how it works in Sweden. The money to authors are not payed by the libraries. So the library does not get less money to buy books if they lend a lot of books.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

@Jaden

Could you quote where I implied piracy?
I did mention sharing but that was in reference to sharing in the traditional manner.
Helen

I'm sorry, Helen, I was being a little unclear here, therefore the misunderstanding.

I didn't mean to say that you implied piracy but that the publishers and companies putting DRM on the ebooks I purchase imply that I would otherwise share the book illegally/become a pirate if they would not hinder me by their DRM.

By "they" I was referring to the publishers/companies...

[speakingtohe]

@Jaden

You are a strong believer that the good in human nature will prevail without safeguards or deterrents. I hope you never have reason to change.

Helen

[spindlegirl]

DRM is one of the weirdest "safeguard and deterrent" there is. It's like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.

If the person has already given money to get the product, the person should be rewarded and valued as a customer. That's what Jaden was referring to. AFTER the money has been paid, still the DRM implication is that the person *who just trusted the seller with their credit card number* is a thief.

If the person is a thief they may as well shop at pirate bay instead of to the seller. Safeguards are for the before purchasing state, not the after.

[Jaden]

@Helen: I couldn't have said it better than spindlegirl did.

It's not so much that I believe everyone is good and honest, but DRM does not hinder people who want to pirate. It just annoys honest customers. Hasn't worked for the music industry and will not work for the book industry, either.

Yes, I will keep on buying my ebooks if they are not available for free legally. But whenever possible, I will buy them free of DRM. And I have never had the idea that because there was no DRM I could freely distribute the book.

Plus there are laws against copyright infringement. If that does not hinder pirates, neither will DRM. So publishers/companies may as well stop to annoy there paying customers (and risk them turning to the dark side for a multitude of reasons).

[sabredog]

Well said Spindlegirl. Have some Karma

Publishers who employ DRM arrogantly assume that purchasers of an ebook, their customers, cannot be trusted with the ebook that they have purchased.

DRM annoys me greatly, so I remove it immediately after purchase. But what annoys me even more is the arrogant assumption that I am going to upload the ebook and start wearing an eye patch, all the while saying, "ahhrrrrr, its in the code mateys!!

[xg4bx]

i just never understood why people who pay their hard earned money for books would immediately turn around and upload it for strangers to snag for free.

these pirate books are coming from someone who bought them or received them for review, its not like data thieves are hacking into servers and liberating the books. all it takes is one person to upload a copy and its out there forever. all the drm in the world won't cure, or stop, foolishness.

[Bittybye]

Originally Posted by spindlegirl

DRM is one of the weirdest "safeguard and deterrent" there is. It's like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.

....

I completely agree. I know the very basics of technology stuff and I can strip DRM, no problem. How is it effective if I, a computer dunce can strip it?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Bittybye

I know the very basics of technology stuff and I can strip DRM, no problem. How is it effective if I, a computer dunce can strip it?

Over here it's illegal to remove "effective" copy protection. And DRM is considered to be effective, even though it can be removed so easily. That even a computer dunce could strip it does not make it "ineffective" in the eyes of law.

Tells you a lot about the people who made the law...

[speakingtohe]

@jaden
I hope you didn't take my reply as flippant. I actually meant that you seem like nice person (based on your reply) and hope life treats you well.

Helen

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

@jaden
I hope you didn't take my reply as flippant. I actually meant that you seem like nice person (based on your reply) and hope life treats you well.

Helen

@Helen

Don't worry, no offence taken. All the best to you, too.