Brian Keene on piracy

[Ankh]

Darn, this is minefield. As for the case of Mr. Keene vs. the persons that copied the content "by hand" to a different server is concerned, I have no problems with his stance.

I am not so certain for broader (technological) implications on Internet, as we know it. If we follow the right of the owner of the content to control each and every copy of his work posted on the Internet, this renders proxy servers ILLEGAL, never mind "archive.org" or Google caches... THAT's scary.

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

And if most of them don't go to dealers, why are Ebay and Amazon always flooded with them on release day?

I didn't say that many didn't go to dealers... I took exception to your "speculator" but if you meant dealer then why not say so as dealers are no more speculating than any other other retailer?

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by elcreative

I didn't say that many didn't go to dealers... I took exception to your "speculator" but if you meant dealer then why not say so as dealers are no more speculating than any other other retailer?

Because speculator is what they are. They pre-order lots of copies in the expectation of making a quick 200% profit on them.

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Because speculator is what they are. They pre-order lots of copies in the expectation of making a quick 200% profit on them.

C**p... I used to run a specialist shop (and worked for others as well as knowing many different retailers) and stocked limited editions direct from the publisher and, like MOST dealers/retailers, sold them to my customers at retail price... Don't put YOUR prejudices, against things, forward as a fact of life when most dealers sell at cover price because they buy direct from publishers as do any normal retailers... also don't confuse asking prices on eBay, ABE etc with actual sales... otherwise why do you find the same dealer (who is trying it on) advertising the same book for months (and, in some cases years) on more than half a dozen different sites... retailers actually want to sell there stock whereas your minority (and it's a small minority) are happy to sit on something until someone comes along who is dumb (or desperate)enough to pay the ripoff price... don't tar legitimate traders with the actions of a minority, it just exposes your usual prejudices...

[mr ploppy]

Good luck finding one at cover price on release day.

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Good luck finding one at cover price on release day.

Never had a problem with any that I've been interested in personally or interested in retailing when I was doing that... and I know others who never pay over release price and /or trade if retailing... just because you can't (or haven't been able to) do it doesn't mean that is isn't the way the market works... and it's equally possible to pick up limited editions at less than cost for collectors, take a look at PS Publishing for example...

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

First, I don't write books. I do, however, believe in protecting the rights of those who provide me with reading pleasure over the perceived rights of those who just want a free ride.

It seems to me that if copyright laws focused solely on stopping those who choose to resell another's work everything would just work itself out.

Forced registration for copyright, a very small number of creative works would be copyrighted, no more hassles to decide if you'd like to use another's work in your own.

In the end you will just need faith that your fellow humans will respect each other enough to compensate the artists that they feel need to be compensated. What else is there?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

In the end you will just need faith that your fellow humans will respect each other enough to compensate the artists that they feel need to be compensated. What else is there?

Reality, for one thing.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Reality, for one thing.

Reality is a creation of the collective mind. Everything must be thought about before it springs into creation.

Copying has become archaic, we no longer need to copy as it were, we simply need access to the text, multiple people will be able to access the texts simultaneously. With the end of copying, an end to copyright.

[jshzh]

People who obey the law often feel righteous because they equal the law to justice...
People who break the law always justify what they do and also feel righteous...
Nothing worse than two "righteous" people try to convince each other

[DiapDealer]

Reality is a creation of the collective mind. Everything must be thought about before it springs into creation.

Ummm... yeah. I might need a little corroboration before I swallow that particular flavor of koolaide.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Ummm... yeah. I might need a little corroboration before I swallow that particular flavor of koolaide.

It would be hard for me to do what you ask, but I will envision you doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soc...ion_of_Reality

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

It would be hard for me to do what you ask, but I will envision you doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soc...ion_of_Reality

And just because somethings on wiki doesn't make it any more substantial than any other such wittering...

[enzo94]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Perhaps when you grow up and start having to work for a living, you'll start placing a value on the work that other people do, too.

I don't think so (not that I don't value other's work but about my point of view).

The funny part is that I will maybe need the copyright system to protect my work.
But I work in technology not culture.

I will never make people pay for online courses, for thesis pdf, books if I write some...
Because it's knowledge. Making the more people smarter is my duty as a human being. Education is a duty.

Technology on the order part requires industries. And they are well known for stealing other's projects... Competition struggle they say...

The main problem here is the market system. Not what you call piracy. Actually most of the book's money don't even go in the author's pockets. That is why a paypal website would be an interesting way of distributing books with ereaders democratization. Ebooks, as MP3 and numeric videos are creating new way of consumerism, authors should adapt, or die. It is not an option. The war is won by advance and everybody knows it...

The only way to protect book/music/movie industry is to harm people's liberty (controlling the web, spying on them...). And I am really impatient to see occidental countries reaction in front of this dilemma in the next years. In France, where I live, liberty is clearly not a priority.
Anyway, artists (real ones) won't stop because of money issues and if they become poor then they will be as they have always been through history.
And the star system (which the most stupid thing in here) will collapse and I won't regret it.
Entertainment is fine but knowledge is better and far more important.

[enzo94]

Originally Posted by jshzh

People who obey the law often feel righteous because they equal the law to justice...
People who break the law always justify what they do and also feel righteous...
Nothing worse than two "righteous" people try to convince each other

I disagree, I believe in the power of words, talking and thinking.
There is no better time lost than the one you are debating and disagreeing.