A moral dilemma

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Just to fulfill the prediction:

BLOODY MURDER!!!

That really worked well with your avatar...

[GoodCompany]

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Getting to the ice cream cone. What happens if you drop the ice cream cone outside the store without even getting so much as a lick. Do you go back to the establishment and demand a new cone.
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I don't know. I still remember when I was a kid and came out of the ice cream store (before going vegan of course) and the ice cream fell out of the cone. I was crestfallen, but my mom smiled and said go back in and they'll give you another. And they did. I like it when life is like that.

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by GoodCompany

I don't know. I still remember when I was a kid and came out of the ice cream store (before going vegan of course) and the ice cream fell out of the cone. I was crestfallen, but my mom smiled and said go back in and they'll give you another. And they did. I like it when life is like that.

Sorry to go so totally off topic BUT, when I was a kid maybe 5 or so we had a grocery store next door to our apartment. It was a small ethnic community and everyone knew everyone. My mom sent me there for either milk or bread. Anyway didn't have enough for the milk or bread so I bought an ice cream cone instead.

Worked for me.

Carol

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by sadievan

Sorry to go so totally off topic BUT, when I was a kid maybe 5 or so we had a grocery store next door to our apartment. It was a small ethnic community and everyone knew everyone. My mom sent me there for either milk or bread. Anyway didn't have enough for the milk or bread so I bought an ice cream cone instead.

Worked for me.

Carol

Good Girl!



Nice avatar btw.

[carpetmojo]

Only thing she could do, frankly.

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Good Girl!



Nice avatar btw.

Thanks. After reading the karma thread I learned all kinds of stuff. I did a google search for avatars and found that one.

That was a WAY safer time and now days I don't think anyone would allow a 5 yr old to go to the store even next door. Back then the neighbors were always out and new everyone. Old Chicago neighborhood. Everyone out on the porch steps. My aunt, grandparents and mom's best friend lived 2 doors down. Plus I don't know if mom was actually watching me from afar.

Carol

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by carpetmojo

Only thing she could do, frankly.

Yep. Wasn't a hard decision. Go home for more money or buy ice cream. Plus the store owners were friends of my parents so they probably got a kick out of it.

Carol

[afa]

Well, any time I used to drop my ice cream cone, I responded by kicking a helpless puppy. It made me feel better about myself.

I don't know, maybe it's just me...





(No animals were harmed during the writing of this post.)

[carpetmojo]

Not been on a jury lately, I hope..................

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Originally Posted by screwballl Modern fair use law as it pertains to ebooks means you can strip DRM for legally owned items (physical or digital) provided it stays within your possession. Current ebook DRM falls under the "prevention of theft", not "prevention of ownership"... versus music/movies fall under "prevention of ownership" since you are legally only allowed to use it in its original form, aka DVD, Bluray or legal streaming (aka netflix) video, not allowing you to make a backup or copy even if you own the physical media or pay for the viewing service.

It was originally the same way (Fair use) for music and movies until the music/movie mafia criminalized civil law.

I'm curious - is this a distinction you find in US law, and if so, where?

In a later post, you say:

Music and movies also have the same fair use laws, BUT they also have the DMCA which essentially states "...if the originally produced media contains no copy protection, then you have the right to make backups or copy to another medium provided it stays within your possession. If the original media DOES contain copy protection or DRM then you must purchase a new or different medium for a different device, or if your original is lost, stolen or leaves your possession for any reason."

Are you quoting a specific provision of the law, or part of a legal opinion, or is this your own paraphrase of something, and if so, what?

I don't see a response to either of my questions, so I'm just going to say that I do not believe that this is a correct reading of the law. Since the assertions were put in quotes, that implied that it was the DMCA or some other law was being quoted, but a Google search on the quote didn't come up with anything other than the post itself. As far as I can tell, whatever law applies to DVDs & CDs applies with equal effect - or lack of effect - to ebooks.

[pidgeon92]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Did Fictionwise notify it's customers before ending it's relationship with the large publishers?

Did they remind everyone to download content?

No, they did not. I certainly didn't get any notification. As a matter of fact, Fictionwise has ceased sending me emails of any kind. Rather rude, considering I bought at least 100 books from them in 2010 (and no, they are not in my spam folder).

However, this disclaimer is on their website, and included in purchase emails, so my bad.

NOTICE: You should download your purchases as soon as possible. Fictionwise will maintain your purchases on your bookshelf for at least a week, and longer if we can, but that is not guaranteed. Make sure you back up your files.