kindle 3 vs nook simple touch

[boswd]

Originally Posted by HarryT

But the biggest ePub retailer in the US, B&N, uses a DRM mechanism which none of the other major readers can currently handle. They could license it, certainly, but as yet they haven't. You know that's true.

I would still maintain that the cautious buyer really needs to know how to remove DRM, and should ideally do so as soon as a book is purchased. That's the only way to "future proof" your purchases.

I think you are missing my point. I don't need to remove Kobo's drm to read on my nook since Kobo uses ADE ePub and the nook reads ADE ePub same with Google books and so on. So if Google books was running a Stephen King special over the weekend, I can take advantage of that and be able to not only read it my nook without converting or stripping but also take the ebooks I bought with me if I'm so inclined to switch to any non Kindle ebook reader.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by boswd

I think you are missing my point. I don't need to remove Kobo's drm to read on my nook since Kobo uses ADE ePub and the nook reads ADE ePub same with Google books and so on. So if Google books was running a Stephen King special over the weekend, I can take advantage of that and be able to not only read it my nook without converting or stripping but also take the ebooks I bought with me if I'm so inclined to switch to any non Kindle ebook reader.

No, I do agree entirely with what you're saying. My point was simply that we can't expect the average consumer to be aware of what devices support what DRM systems. Is it reasonable to expect someone who buys a Kobo or a Sony to know that an eBook they buy from B&N won't work? I don't think it is. The fact that all these stores sell "ePub" books only makes the situation more complex!

[boswd]

Originally Posted by HarryT

No, I do agree entirely with what you're saying. My point was simply that we can't expect the average consumer to be aware of what devices support what DRM systems. Is it reasonable to expect someone who buys a Kobo or a Sony to know that an eBook they buy from B&N won't work? I don't think it is. The fact that all these stores sell "ePub" books only makes the situation more complex!

Ok I see what you are saying. Kind of talking past each other
And you are absolutley right about the average consumer. I have some friends with kindles who didn't know what ebook format the kindle uses and the nook etc.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by boswd

You get a littany of self publisher or obscure publishers and authors.

O'Reilly is one of the top tech publishers in, so far as I know, the world.

Baen has top-tier authors in SF and Fantasy, two of the most popular genres.

They are neither self-published nor obscure. What that ARE is genre-specific.

If you keep falsely dismissing all the options as obscure or self-published, when they are not, then I will continue to correct you.

If you just told the truth, that you are really referring to only the 3 other general DRM bookstores, then you will get no argument.

There are 3 more ADE/epub general book stores than there Kindle DRM book stores. There is no argument on that. IF those are the kind of books someone wants, AND they think they may want to switch readers, AND that new reader will not be a multi-purpose device that can run all the apps, AND they don't want to strip DRM, then there are perfectly valid concerns to be addressed, BOTH on the epub reader side AND the Kindle side.

To repeatedly warn the Kindle as dangerously exclusive, and to totally dismiss or mis-state the exact same issues on the other side is simply bad. Bad.

Bad, bad, bad,

ApK

ps. Bad.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by ApK

There are 3 more ADE/epub general book stores than there Kindle DRM book stores. There is no argument on that.

I actually think there is an argument . Which three are you referring to? Surely it depends where you live, doesn't it? Eg, I buy most of my ePub books at Waterstones, but I imagine it's not terribly popular with US purchasers. Similarly, B&N is popular in the US, but they don't sell to people who live elsewhere.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I actually think there is an argument . Which three are you referring to? Surely it depends where you live, doesn't it? Eg, I buy most of my ePub books at Waterstones, but I imagine it's not terribly popular with US purchasers. Similarly, B&N is popular in the US, but they don't sell to people who live elsewhere.

Yes, but I consider geo-restrictions a separate issue, unrelated to device/format/drm discussion.

But you have a point, in that as I see the issue at hand as being a minor point at most, even when you have all the US options on the table, it can become an even less significant issue depending on where you live, I guess.

Oh, the three I was referring to was any three of the four: B&N, Kobo, Google Books, Sony.
That's three more than Kindle's one, Amazon.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by ApK

O'Reilly is one of the top tech publishers in, so far as I know, the world.

Baen has top-tier authors in SF and Fantasy, two of the most popular genres.

They are neither self-published nor obscure. What that ARE is genre-specific.

If you keep falsely dismissing all the options as obscure or self-published, when they are not, then I will continue to correct you.

If you just told the truth, that you are really referring to only the 3 other general DRM bookstores, then you will get no argument.

There are 3 more ADE/epub general book stores than there Kindle DRM book stores. There is no argument on that. If thos are the kind of books someone wants, AND they think they may want to switch readers, AND they don't want to strip DRM, then there are perfectly valid concerns to be addressed, BOTH on the epub reader side AND the Kindle side.

To repeatedly warn the Kindle as dangerously exclusive, and to totally dismiss or mis-state the exact same issues on the other side is simply bad. Bad.

Bad, bad, bad,

ApK

ps. Bad.

I don't think I'm falsey dismissing. But Im sorry the majority of the book reading population isn't banging down the doors to read some tech book. Yes I sure the authors you haven' mentioned have their own following in their own world. But tell your mom or sister "Oh who cares about ePub you can get your DRM Free Mobi books and get yourself a good heaping of O'Reily tech books or some space sci fi ."

Let's forget about a small specific market and lets think overall majority big picture here. What are the majority of people reading and want to read?

Here is the list of the NYTimes Bestsellers on Google's ebook store used ePub format how many of these titles are available in Mobi DRM Free books for purchase?



http://books.google.com/ebooks?as_co...ore_home&hl=en

[ApK]

Originally Posted by boswd

I don't think I'm falsey dismissing. But Im sorry the majority of the book reading population isn't banging down the doors to read some tech book. Yes I sure the authors you haven' mentioned have their own following in their own world. But tell your mom or sister "Oh who cares about ePub you can get your DRM Free Mobi books and get yourself a good heaping of O'Reily tech books or some space sci fi ."

Let's forget about a small specific market and lets think overall majority big picture here. What are the majority of people reading and want to read?

Here is the list of the NYTimes Bestsellers on Google's ebook store used ePub format how many of these titles are available in Mobi DRM Free books for purchase?



http://books.google.com/ebooks?as_co...ore_home&hl=en

Not everyone reads or cares about the NYT list. I believe there are polls here that indicate among ereader users, it may be less than among dtb readers.

Nora Roberts and Steven King are not the be all and end all of the book buying universe. And even for those for whom they are, there are so many other future possibilities and IFs and conditions that have to align for them to ever perceive even an inconvenience, I cannot fathom why you constantly push out the emphatic, one sided warnings.

Most people will read those authors on whatever ereader they choose, and will never have a hint of any problem.

But no matter how many times we point out all the misstatements and qualifications and errors in your claims, and no matter how many times we state plainly the realities and show how to state them truthfully and accurately, you keep making the broad misstatements the exact same way in every thread where it comes up.

p.s. Why aren't you talking up the Kobo as the only decent choice? Their bookstore is ONE place that seems to warrant comparison shopping, and buying from them would eliminate the, by your estimation, 60% library lockout that you'd 'suffer' if you had the 'misfortune' to get 'locked in' to a nook.....

All those words are in quotes because my point is, again, it's really not a problem in practice for the vast majority of users of any devices, and the POSSIBILITY of a problem is there for all of them.

[HarryT]

I honestly do think this is of little relevance to the general book-buying readership. When it boils down to it, when you consider the field of commercially-published eBooks, pretty much all are available at every major bookstore - Amazon, B&N, Kobo, or whatever.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by ApK

But no matter how many times we point out all the misstatements and qualifications and errors in your claims, and no matter how many times we state plainly the realities and show how to state them truthfully and accurately, you keep making the broad misstatements the exact same way in every thread where it comes up.

True or false: Amazon's DRMed Mobi/AZW is the only DRM-format the Kindle can handle?

[HarryT]

False.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by HarryT

False.

Which other DRMed formats can it read?

[ApK]

Oh, one (hopefully) last thing: Are those 60% Kobo coupons really good on Stephen King and Nora Roberts and those other Bestseller books?
Hasn't agency pricing sort of screwed that advantage up for all of us? The coupons now seem to be mostly good for those 'obscure or self-published' authors.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Which other DRMed formats can it read?

Topaz, which is Amazon's reflowable PDF-like format. Totally different format to Mobi.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Topaz, which is Amazon's reflowable PDF-like format. Totally different format to Mobi.

Oh, how very funny.
Which other non-Amazon DRMed format?