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Old 02-13-2011, 05:54 AM   #121
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it seems like they did it as a way of promotion...
they simply took a regular DX and slapped a pearl screen on it with a graphite shell. it enabled them to create a lot of buzz and anticipation for the K3, all for very little expense and trouble.
Mate, I think you're spot on! I had an older DXi that I sold and then bought a new DXG. Just the new pearl screen (and the price reduction) was good value imho.

If Amazon had of been smarter, they would have done the same with the K2. That is, just change it to a pearl screen with graphite case and called it a K2G. They could have probably also knocked the price of these down to, or below, current K3 prices. They maybe even could have even done a cheaper Wifi-only version. I'm sure they would have sold a tonne of either of these.

Then they would have given themselves time to to produce a proper set of upgraded versions for both (K3 and K3DX)

In my opinion Amazon has confused the heck out of consumers as to what is new-generation vs latest generation and what upgrades to expect. If they manage to give any K3 updates to the DXG's only, and not the K2 or Dx then they will be seen as discriminating between essentially the same platforms.

It's very likely that these K3 upgrades are not possible on these older units without a big decrease in performance anyway. Just the pearl screen with a 2.5.7 upgrade would have probably made everyone happy.

So, right now I think that Amazon is screwed. Probably the best thing that they can do now is to introduce a proper new generation DX3G with all the current K3 bells and whistles (and maybe more). They should then offer all current DXG owners a VERY generous trade-in for new (like $0-50).

Should be interesting to see how this all works out!

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Old 02-13-2011, 07:08 AM   #122
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The clearest evidence that the DX is not the "Flagship" product, is that it isn't even sold in the UK!
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:28 AM   #123
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The clearest evidence that the DX is not the "Flagship" product, is that it isn't even sold in the UK!
Doesn't Amazon.com ship it to the U.K.? It ships to Croatia, and nothing ever ships here!
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Doesn't Amazon.com ship it to the U.K.? It ships to Croatia, and nothing ever ships here!
It does ship it to the UK (as well as many other countries), but it will cost you considerably more due to shipping and taxes etc. It'll also take much longer.

Amazon.co.uk sells the Kindle 3 directly and you can get it delivered the next day.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:00 PM   #125
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Ummm... Latinandgreek was referring to the DXG, which isn't sold on the UK website.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:36 PM   #126
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it seems like they did it as a way of promotion...
they simply took a regular DX and slapped a pearl screen on it with a graphite shell. it enabled them to create a lot of buzz and anticipation for the K3, all for very little expense and trouble.
That's right but where on earth you'll find a similar e-book reader with that display quality and size?

As long as there is no other competition in that size area there will be no pressure to improve the product.
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Old 02-13-2011, 02:53 PM   #127
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The clearest evidence that the DX is not the "Flagship" product, is that it isn't even sold in the UK!
That observation could also be seen as a reflection of the lack of sophistication of British ereader buyers!!
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Old 02-13-2011, 02:57 PM   #128
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That observation could also be seen as a reflection of the lack of sophistication of British ereader buyers!!
Or as a reflection on the gullibility of non-UK ereader buyers
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:00 PM   #129
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Or as a reflection on the gullibility of non-UK ereader buyers
My turn (or is that game, set and match ).

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Old 02-13-2011, 03:01 PM   #130
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My turn (or is that game, set and match ).

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Old 02-13-2011, 10:56 PM   #131
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A lot of folks have commented that the DXG is suitable for PDFs, due to the large screen, but no-one seems to have mentioned that the PDF support is buggier than an anthill.

Completely ignoring the lack of PDF "features" that have been mentioned (contrast adjustment, passwords, etc), my experience with it was that it stalled and froze the DXG on large PDFs with tables and images, and required frequent power-button restarts after locking up the DXG when trying to open several PDF files that I tried, which opened error-free in various PDF readers on Windows and Mac.

IMHO, Amazon has done a miserable job of supporting the product with software, and I returned the one I bought.

I also gave it a 1-rating on Amazon, which I'm sure they could care less about.

The DXG is the only thing that I ever bought from Amazon that annoyed me massively - it's a buggy, incomplete botch.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:36 AM   #132
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The DX is not a flagship product, it is a niche product....

You knew when you bought it that it had second generation firmware, and thus hardware, and even a remote modicum of thought could have told you that there was never going to be an upgrade to 3.x in the future.
Wow!

If we all had your amazing wisdom, the world would be a much better place! Or most likely, not. In any case, many of us have the KDX and we want it improved, even if you can't figure out why.

The KDX was was the first reader in the world with the Pearl screen. It is still the most expensive reader Amazon has, and the largest reader with a Pearl screen.

By most reasonable standards, it's Amazon's flagship product, while the The K3 is the mass-market device. Just like like hard-covers and paperbacks.

Amazon should support it better, but since there is no competition, they don't feel compelled to do it.

Plus, they support PDF only reluctantly -- they don't want us buying PDFs elsewhere, they want us buying mobi and ASW from them.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:01 PM   #133
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The DX is not a flagship product, it is a niche product. While there is some overlap in those two categories (flagships tend to be expensive and through that slightly niche) that is not the case here. The DX Graphite is simply the DX with a newer generation screen and a different colour case. It wasn't apparently worth producing a real new version. Thus the DXG is second generation hardware, and is limited to second-generation firmware -- which means 2.5, same as the Kindle 2.

You knew when you bought it that it had second generation firmware, and thus hardware, and even a remote modicum of thought could have told you that there was never going to be an upgrade to 3.x in the future.
And exactly how would I have known that?
I started off with the K3, liked it, and saw that there was a larger model.
A larger model sounded inviting, and on Amazon's Kindle page, they compare all 3 models. NO mention is made in the comparison table that the software in the DXG is a generation behind.
So I bought it, and found that it didn't do some things as well as my K3 had done.
Now, a couple of months later, I've sold the DXG and gone back to a K3.

I agree that this isn't big enough for a watchdog to go after, yet I'm stunned at some of the positions taken by folks here.
Amazon's advertising of the DXG *IS* deceptive, and it's amazing to see the lengths some people will go to in order to contend that Amazon can do no wrong.
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To my own surprise and after wife asked for an iPad (San Valentin weird gift, lol ) I started to reevaluate the need of a Kindle DXG in my home and getting the Apple wifi instead.

I was in a shock yesterday when tried Goodreader. So much flexibility editing and reading PDFs, you can't imagine.

Even though I was not expecting a firmware upgrade and was fully aware of what I was getting when I bought the Kindle DXG, the overall PDF experience with Apple is really good.

Only thing: the glare and LCD screen still keep me thinking about what to do. And the absence of ports or the lack of file manager (without jail-breaking) is really annoying too.
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:06 AM   #135
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You knew when you bought it that it had second generation firmware, and thus hardware, and even a remote modicum of thought could have told you that there was never going to be an upgrade to 3.x in the future.
How do you decide for Amazon?
There are many examples to the contrary.
Of course you would never be disappointed if you are an eternal pessimist.

Update: Just reviewed kindle dxg on Amazon. Gave them a single star
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