Amazon Defends Pedophile Book

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is a big difference in a book about pedophilia and a book on how to engage in pedophilia. The first I would defend to be sold. The second I would try to get pulled.

Like this excerpt, for example?

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/am1.jpg

(I won't embed it - people can choose to read or not.)

As for the distinction between a guide and a book "about" pedophilia, for me, support ends when the point of the book is to promote it.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

it is my understanding that is a bunch of loosely connected ramblings and fairly unreadable. I don't think this is mind candy for pedophiles

What if it was a well written well thought-out book? Would that have made it any more OK?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Piper_

Like this excerpt, for example?

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/am1.jpg

(I won't embed it - people can choose to read or not.)

As for the distinction between a guide and a book "about" pedophilia, for me, support ends when the point of the book is to promote it.

Books can be written on the subject of pedophilia. I also do not condone any book that condones engaging in pedophilia.

That excerpt was condoning engaging in pedophilia and that's when the book has to go. I don't care that the author was trying to make it safer for the children. There is no point where it's OK.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What if it was a well written well thought-out book? Would that have made it any more OK?

boy, you just really skirt around an issue don't you? had you read for content you would realize my point is that the book is fairly unreadable and therefore almost certainly has little inspiration

[Worldwalker]

Originally Posted by nguirado

By the way, I'm also a teacher (and parent) and would not encourage students to read banned books just because they were banned. We wonder why children lack certain moral characteristics and then encourage them to read things that attack those attitudes.

Are you saying that you believe that conformity to the government equals moral rectitude?

Or conformity to the opinions of a specific group of people, even if you're not a member of that group?

Nobody learns "moral characteristics" from letting other people tell them what is too dangerous for them to know about. They learn morals from people they respect, and they test those morals by seeing things for themselves and forming opinions. Someone who obeys what they're told to do doesn't have morals; they just have rules.

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by brecklundin

but here is food for though, ever ***** time you make a huge deal of this every single person who lived though this sort of torturous hell gets the lovely chance to relive the whole thing. And you have zero right to make me or anyone on my position to experience it all over again.

You're right, no-one has the right to make you experience it all over again. But you also don't have any right to tell us what we can and cannot talk about. And NONE of us are making you experience this all over again. You chose to read a thread entitled "Amazon Defends Pedophile Book " - I mean, what did you think it would be about?

I have been through various traumatic events over the years, some of them seriously so, and I accept that people will talk about those sort of things and just about none of them are doing it to hurt or upset me, or make me re-experience anything.

[brecklundin]

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

You're right, no-one has the right to make you experience it all over again. But you also don't have any right to tell us what we can and cannot talk about. And NONE of us are making you experience this all over again. You chose to read a thread entitled "Amazon Defends Pedophile Book " - I mean, what did you think it would be about?

I have been through various traumatic events over the years, some of them seriously so, and I accept that people will talk about those sort of things and just about none of them are doing it to hurt or upset me, or make me re-experience anything.

perfect example...just drop dead. Go ahead and attack the very person you claim to be "protecting"...

[Worldwalker]

brecklundin ... given your position here, you might want to change your avatar to something other than a series of books that advocate rape.

[rogue_red]

Originally Posted by brecklundin

I am speaking here from a position few of you have and in my opinion none of you who have not been in my situation have good gad damn right to say a thing.

I was molested, sexually, as a child starting from the age of 6-yrs old and it continued for several years. It has ruined my life for the most part. And yet, over the years I am a staunch supporter of complete freedom of expression.

If anyone here things forcing this ban on this book will stop on single child from being molested you have a sad sense of self-importance. Certainly write your letters to the publisher as well as Amazon. but here is food for though, ever ***** time you make a huge deal of this every single person who lived though this sort of torturous hell gets the lovely chance to relive the whole thing. And you have zero right to make me or anyone on my position to experience it all over again.

So while you feel you are "helping" none of you understand the ramifications of making a huge public issue of the matter...so **** all of you for causing me to relive it all over again today. Your public displays of indignant puffery, anger and "outrage" does none of us any help it simply returns many memories and sense of being a complete failure at life back front and center. Thanks for that...I mean why handle the matter like a truly caring adult and learn the last thing a person who lived through the acts wants is more violence...and here you are behaving in a manner that is almost no different than the bastard who molested me or who did the same or worse to others. But as long as you get your "me too" message out in public it's all good....so thanks for the thought you put in your decisions to publicly state the opinion rather than pursue other avenues.

Firstly, you aren't the only survivor of childhood sexual abuse on here. Kitten was brave enough to step up and offer her opinion from a survivors point of view and I'm a survivor as well. Do not assume that all people who were abused as children will remain a victim their whole life. You have no right to claim to speak for all survivors of abuse when you use 'us' or 'we'.
Secondly, neither myself nor anyone else on this forum is responsible for how you are reacting to the posts. You chose to read. Knowing how sensitive you are to topics of this nature why did you even read a single word? That's like walking into a strip club and demanding that the strippers get dressed because nudity offends you.
Your comment is an overly emotional transference. I get that you are angry but you need to take some personal responsibility. And remember, you can't change what you don't acknowledge.

[poohbear_nc]

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[Catlady]

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

no im totally in favor of consumer outrage, yeah free market. some in this thread, it seems to me,are advocating for a legal ban. thats what my post is about

I think some in this thread have made that assumption. I think some in this thread have cried "Censorship!" when no censorship is advocated. I think some in this thread have advanced extremely dubious analogies. I think some in this thread are so busy being "tolerant" that they abandon judgment and common sense.

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

it is my understanding that is a bunch of loosely connected ramblings and fairly unreadable. I don't think this is mind candy for pedophiles

There are two "stories" he gives that read like pedophile erotica.

Personally, that's not what I object most to.

The most dangerous element is the convincing of other pedophiles, and even putting doubts in people's minds, that it is a matter of love and pleasuring the child, and does no real damage.

The author, as many do, likes to distinguish between loving "pedosexuality," which he says is good, and molestation, which he considers bad, like rape.

The problem is that, while force is terrible and has its own repercussions, it lacks the element of self-guilt.

The whole nice, loving, "you love me, I love you, and I'm just making you feel good - doesn't it feel good?" approach does a horrendous mind job on the victim for whom it does feel good, as the guilt and confusion never goes away for so many.

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by Catlady

I think some in this thread have made that assumption. I think some in this thread have cried "Censorship!" when no censorship is advocated. I think some in this thread have advanced extremely dubious analogies. I think some in this thread are so busy being "tolerant" that they abandon judgment and common sense.

Well said.

And on that good note, I'm off for awhile.

[queentess]

Originally Posted by Worldwalker

So what other books should Amazon remove?

Should probably start with the Diary of Anne Frank. Apparently it's highly offensive. It should not be sold anywhere, and it would be in Amazon's best interest to remove all copies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._governments#D

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by brecklundin

perfect example...just drop dead. Go ahead and attack the very person you claim to be "protecting"...

I've tried that in the past - it didn't work so well (obviously, as I'm here typing this).

Are you really advocating that this issue shouldn't be talked about? That it should be swept under the carpet and ignored? Because I'm sure that will help (yes, that was sarcastic). Problems like this don't go away by ignoring they exist. They go away because people talk about them, about what to do about them, and then by acting on those talks.

If you are advocating that, I suggest you put me on ignore (if you haven't already), because I can't guarantee I won't upset you further